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    Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Every single email they send. Think it's an invasion of privacy? Don't take the job.
    Um. Yeah. No. I think that any job which tries to regulate your private life is violating your basic civil rights. It's not a question of not taking the job -- I think that trying to compel someone to use only their work account to send e-mail at all times should be illegal.

    ETA: Let me just add, before anybody loses their **** -- it's okay for an employer to expect you to not humiliate them in public, or to not engage in behaviors which could prove dangerous to them or your fellow employees, or to not break the law.
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    Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Um. Yeah. No. I think that any job which tries to regulate your private life is violating your basic civil rights. It's not a question of not taking the job -- I think that trying to compel someone to use only their work account to send e-mail at all times should be illegal.
    Jobs require we give up "basic civil rights" all the time, Dan. Plenty of jobs restrict one's rights off the job.

    Really. How easy is it to circumvent ethical and legal implications by setting up an account at ImaCheater@gmail.com and send emails to the other guy at SoamI@gmail.com?
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    Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    What proof do you have that this story is true?
    Yes, the first move of someone defending their guy, "It's not true!", "what proof do you have". A totally different response than you see from them when the same thing is said of the 'other guy'.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No. I most often see excuses being made, attention being misdirected, or the integrity of the investigators being attacked -- "If this was one of your guys, you wouldn't be doing this!"
    Then you should try a bit harder to pay attention. Just look at the other one quoted above. It's the typical response seen more often from the left than the right...
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    Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Jobs require we give up "basic civil rights" all the time, Dan. Plenty of jobs restrict one's rights off the job.

    Really. How easy is it to circumvent ethical and legal implications by setting up an account at ImaCheater@gmail.com and send emails to the other guy at SoamI@gmail.com?
    I edited my post, as you will see, to include certain basic things an employer should be able to expect from an employee.

    Aside from that, the ease someone has with breaking the law is not an excuse for violating their civil rights.
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    Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts

    I don't really think history requires that we preserve a joke sent to a government official's email to which they reply "LOL". The records preservation laws are a little insane IMO. Wanting to have an electronic conversation not subject to political scrutiny is so very, I don't know, human perhaps.

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    Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I edited my post, as you will see, to include certain basic things an employer should be able to expect from an employee.

    Aside from that, the ease someone has with breaking the law is not an excuse for violating their civil rights.
    It is not violating someone's civil rights if they agree to certain behaviors as a condition of employment. They don't have to agree if they don't want to...where's the violation?
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    Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Then you should try a bit harder to pay attention. Just look at the other one quoted above. It's the typical response seen more often from the left than the right...
    I do not care who does what typically. I am addressing your behavior in this thread.
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    Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is not violating someone's civil rights if they agree to certain behaviors as a condition of employment. They don't have to agree if they don't want to...where's the violation?
    It is a violation of their civil rights to demand things beyond reasonable basics -- especially in this economy.
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    Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It is a violation of their civil rights to demand things beyond reasonable basics -- especially in this economy.
    Come on. "Especially in this economy." It's either a violation or it's not.

    Is it a violation that an employer can extort $75 out of my pay to join a club? And that, if I don't agree, they won't hire me?
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    Re: Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Come on. "Especially in this economy." It's either a violation or it's not.

    Is it a violation that an employer can extort $75 out of my pay to join a club? And that, if I don't agree, they won't hire me?
    My point is that "if you don't like it, don't take the job" only goes so far, and in a situation where people can't afford to not take a job it's even worse. In both situations it is a violation, but in one of the situations it's even more egregious. In criminal law it would be referred to as "an aggravating factor" or "a special circumstance" when it comes to sentencing -- rather than arguing that it is legal or less illegal in one circumstance versus the other, it is simply an argument that in one circumstance or the other the offense is worse than it would ordinarily be.
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