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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Your reply makes it clear that Iran is about OIL. Thank you. I don't think that is what you intended. Does that mean you can see that the USA has a hugely flawed energy policy? We have to stop defending and reinforcing the Centralized Distribution of Energy monopoly and turn to common sense and reason. THat would be wind and solar. LOCALLY. I'm not sure Hezbollah and Hamas are any worse than our CIA. Libya. Color revolutions? Wherefore art thou, CIA?
    Open access to the Strait of Hormuz through which a disproportionate share of the world's oil flows is part of the reason every U.S. President from Jimmy Carter to Barack Obama have indicated a willingness to use military force should any nation try to block it. Until alternatives can readily be used to supplant the role currently played by oil on a global basis, the strategic importance of that area is not likely to change materially.

    In terms of energy policy, there has been a lack of strategic investment effort to diversify the nation's energy supply. That has led to greater vulnerability to oil price shocks and geopolitical risk than would otherwise be the case.

    Finally, the military intervention in Libya's civil war was largely on "humanitarian grounds." Libya is not one of the world's biggest oil producers. The post-Gadhafi regime is not materially friendlier to U.S. interests and allies. I don't believe the U.S. should have intervened in that civil conflict on account of a lack of compelling national interests. The same holds with regard to Syria. I don't believe the interests rise to the level that would justify U.S. military intervention.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, no, don't get me wrong. There is a military industry in this country, and needs to be. But not because we are necessarily a waring nation, or as many liberals like to label it imperialist, but rather because as the strongest military on earth, we have responsibilities, that as a moral nation in that position must not be ignored, or minimized. The vacuum created in the event that the US scales back in its protection of weaker nations is not a world that I'd want to see.

    I also get frustrated with the way our aid, and protection is perceived as well, but if you just say 'that's it, we're out!' Who will fill that vacuum? China? Russia?....More people would die, and more people would be subject to dictatorial rule in the world. Plus, we would be more vulnerable.
    The United States has been carrying the burden of "The World's Policeman" for far too long and other democracies should certainly contribute more.

    To that end we should abandon the UN and form a Union of Democracies, something along the lines of The Anglosphere, where responsibility for human rights is shared by all. The UN has become a forum for dictators and corruption and it shames the world's democracies to be associated with it.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The United States has been carrying the burden of "The World's Policeman" for far too long and other democracies should certainly contribute more.

    To that end we should abandon the UN and form a Union of Democracies, something along the lines of The Anglosphere, where responsibility for human rights is shared by all. The UN has become a forum for dictators and corruption and it shames the world's democracies to be associated with it.
    While I agree with the sentiment, I would not abandon the UN completely.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I'm not sure Hezbollah and Hamas are any worse than our CIA.
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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    While I agree with the sentiment, I would not abandon the UN completely.
    I feel it serves as a useful forum for corrupt dictators of various stripes, as mentioned, but I would certainly like to learn why you feel it is at all worthwhile.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I feel it serves as a useful forum for corrupt dictators of various stripes, as mentioned, but I would certainly like to learn why you feel it is at all worthwhile.
    There are a few decent programs and having some avenue to approach dictators and other tyrannys diplomatically and in a group/global setting can be useful. As we cannot liberate everyone immediately, pushing some countries towards freedom through diplomacy and economics remains, and always will be, part of the plan.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There are a few decent programs and having some avenue to approach dictators and other tyrannys diplomatically and in a group/global setting can be useful. As we cannot liberate everyone immediately, pushing some countries towards freedom through diplomacy and economics remains, and always will be, part of the plan.
    OK, I never thought of some of the useful work they do but as it is the democracies who mostly pay for the worthwhile programs they should be able to carry them out, with probably greater efficiency, within a new organization.

    If it wasn't for the UN it is likely that dictatorships would be more isolated, unless they organized a forum of their own.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

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    If it wasn't for the UN it is likely that dictatorships would be more isolated, unless they organized a forum of their own.
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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We have troops in over 140 Nations. That is pretty easy to interpret and make a solid case for "Imperialism."
    Only if you think that America is an ignoble nation to start with. I don't. We are in those nations for a reason. Could we scale back, and take a lesser role in the world? Yes. But, like I said, who would fill that vacuum? You can bet other strong nations would, and many might not have the same goals for doing what they do.

    Usually for some resource needed for our Corporations.
    Oh come on man...Get off it. Corporations help provide the things we use everyday, and make your life easier. We don't conquer nations for resources to use for ourselves. These countries we are in and have business relationships benefit greatly from our involvement.

    There is/was nothing moral about the Iraq War.
    Sure there was. The way this administration pulled out and just left it open to what we see happening today, is a great illustration of what happens in your vision of a US that is meek, and less than what we are today.

    Nor Vietnam. Nor Libya. Nor Grenada. Nor Panama. Just to list a few.
    Totally disagree. But that doesn't mean that we were successful. It seems you are advocating for an America that is 2nd world, or Euro centric in its existence. That would in my view be a disaster for the world.
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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks


    That's the problem with you guys. You believe these damn toons. How's everything in toon town. Bush, axis, BS, and more. Your politics are built on this type of nonsense.

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