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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Nothing ever lasts forever.
    I meant even in the short term, historically speaking, not in an abstract way.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I meant even in the short term, historically speaking, not in an abstract way.
    Well in the short term, yes, dicatorships last in the short term. Long term they don't.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    I think this is another delay tactic.
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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Yes, they like to "suggest openness to talks" now and again, to keep us hopeful while they keep working their way towards nukes.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It must be depressing constantly hating your own country.
    I stated the simple truth. Why don't you read your history books so you will know what happened. Roosevelt wanted the Japanese to attack. It's not complicated. It's just history.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I stated the simple truth. Why don't you read your history books so you will know what happened. Roosevelt wanted the Japanese to attack. It's not complicated. It's just history.

    eh, like I said.... I am not saying that America was just oh so perfect in our history, but see, instead of focusing on the less than shining spots in our past, I prefer to look toward how we have learned from that, and changed for the better. I prefer to see America as the country that rushes to countries in need with aid, and help in times of disaster, and strife to help those in need. I prefer to see this country as the example, and hope of a world looking for freedom, and what that looks like. Your's seems to be a constant dirge of what is wrong with America, yet it isn't a constructive rant, but more a depressing, dower, pissed off view of this country. It's like the guy that everyone knows that is always pissed at the world, hates his life, hates his job, but won't do a damned thing to change it, all you want to do is complain, and in the end that is a lonely place to be brother. No one want's to be around that guy for long....So I feel for ya, and hope that in some way you can find happiness with who you are and where you live, if you can't? Well then, quit bitching and moaning about it, do something about it! No one want's to hear your constant complaints with no solutions.
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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    [QUOTE=j-mac;1061171098]eh, like I said.... I am not saying that America was just oh so perfect in our history, but see, instead of focusing on the less than shining spots in our past, I prefer to look toward how we have learned from that, and changed for the better. I prefer to see America as the country that rushes to countries in need with aid, and help in times of disaster, and strife to help those in need. I prefer to see this country as the example, and hope of a world looking for freedom, and what that looks like. Your's seems to be a constant dirge of what is wrong with America, yet it isn't a constructive rant, but more a depressing, dower, pissed off view of this country. It's like the guy that everyone knows that is always pissed at the world, hates his life, hates his job, but won't do a damned thing to change it, all you want to do is complain, and in the end that is a lonely place to be brother. No one want's to be around that guy for long....So I feel for ya, and hope that in some way you can find happiness with who you are and where you live, if you can't? Well then, quit bitching and moaning about it, do something about it! No one want's to hear your constant complaints with no solutions.[/QUOTE

    That's a thoughtful post and I appreciate the time it took to post it. Thanks for that. I don't focus on the veneer or the "Imagery" as one might actually define. I aim for a better USA. One that does not lie us into war for business reasons. Nobody but OIL corporations are concerned about Iran. They haven't attacked anyone. There is no proof they are building a bomb and if they are who gives a rat's ass? We seem to have made sure all of our allies got Nukes and I don't think that is by accident. Nuclear proliferation and take a look at where Nuke reactors come from.. I'm a Vietnam veteran so I don't wonder if the USA gov't will lie to start and maintain a war. I know they will. I see the same view of the Iraq war. We are responsible for the deaths of more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein. We send fine patriotic, committed citizens who do a good job into wars on Bull Crap. We would not have been in Iraq if it wasn't for the OIL. It's the same now only Iran has the OIL. Ergo big media "Imagery" creates a mythical enemy where none exists. I am chasing a better America.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    In general, rhetoric is cheap. The proof of any change in Iran's posture will arise in negotiations. Iran has frequently signaled flexibility and then failed to deliver, so one should be cautious about assuming any breakthroughs are likely, much less imminent.

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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That's a thoughtful post and I appreciate the time it took to post it. Thanks for that.
    Once and a while I stumble into a decent one.

    I don't focus on the veneer or the "Imagery" as one might actually define. I aim for a better USA.
    Do you often see anything "better" coming out of negativity?

    One that does not lie us into war for business reasons.
    War at the heart of it is seldom about truly altruistic reasons.

    Nobody but OIL corporations are concerned about Iran.
    I don't think that is true, I think the entire region is concerned with Iran's posture in this. But beyond that, what is it that you think makes the world run? See, I think of oil right now as the life blood of the world. Think about it beyond gas for your car, or heat for houses, and although that is a part of what makes up usage, oil is a part nearly everything we use, consume, or rely on in healthcare. You think that a commodity like that is not going to be the catalyst of war should one country use it as leverage against others?

    We seem to have made sure all of our allies got Nukes and I don't think that is by accident.
    I see no problem with responsible countries having Nukes, but that is the benchmark. Do you really see a country that is foaming at the mouth to destroy another country, and actively arming those currently attacking another country as responsible enough? I don't.

    Nuclear proliferation and take a look at where Nuke reactors come from..
    This is what I am talking about...To read this you would think that the USA was the only country that developed nuclear technology. Russia, China, Pakistan....What did we have to do with the countries that they aided in obtaining the technology? Including Russia's aid to Iran in this respect.

    I'm a Vietnam veteran so I don't wonder if the USA gov't will lie to start and maintain a war. I know they will. I see the same view of the Iraq war.
    As a vet myself that was lucky enough to serve during peacetime, thank you for your sacrifice in Vietnam. I also know that geo political purposes for involvement in war is never as clear cut as the final reasoning shared with the public at large. Regardless of whether you agree with Iraq or not, the fact of the matter is that we elect people to represent our interests in this country, and the congress abdicated their responsibility in the decision making process for entering Iraq, and gave it to Bush. It was only when it became politically expedient to oppose it that demo's flipped and tried to revise history.

    We are responsible for the deaths of more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein.
    No, I don't buy that at all. Unless you are saying that the civilians that our enemies were killing in Iraq was our fault, and that is in my view a flawed overview. We brought a dictator down, and freed its people to vote. Their destiny is now up to them.

    We send fine patriotic, committed citizens who do a good job into wars on Bull Crap.
    Voluntarily

    We would not have been in Iraq if it wasn't for the OIL.
    If that were true, then why aren't we still there taking the spoils of our victory?

    It's the same now only Iran has the OIL.
    How'd that happen if we went in for the oil, why don't we have it then?

    Ergo big media "Imagery" creates a mythical enemy where none exists.
    Media does much in the way of misleading the country these days.

    I am chasing a better America.
    Ok, so you are against war...That is actually a pretty conservative view. Beyond that though, what does that even mean? Can you define what is a "better America" outsid the box of relatively myopic anti war stance? America is more than its geo political strength.
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    Re: Iranian ministry suggests openness to nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    In general, rhetoric is cheap. The proof of any change in Iran's posture will arise in negotiations. Iran has frequently signaled flexibility and then failed to deliver, so one should be cautious about assuming any breakthroughs are likely, much less imminent.
    Iran, and many of the despotic regimes in this world have taken note of the fact that all it takes to hold back action is to cry uncle, and continue to move forward as the 2nd, 3rd, 50th chance is given. Threats with no teeth is laughed at pretty quickly.
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