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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by fishinRod View Post
    if you cant pay rent making $18 per hour you really need to step back and look at your income vs. outgo and figure out what you are doing wrong, its not the employers fault .......and tell us how does one need to make to afford an expensive medical procedure?.....and why throw the "children card"?...my wife just had a procedure done las week that cost me $1700 out of pocket after insurance.....do i need to go talk to my boss about a raise?...NO, i just man up and take care of MY business, its not my employers problem..............besides, $18 per hour to make cupcakes?...really?...we're talkin cupcakes, not digital cardiac pacemakers............thats whats wrong with the Auto unions, paying somebody $40 per hour to screw on a door handle
    If 100 autoworkers make 100 cars, it is equivalent to each worker making a $20,000 car even if he only screws on a door. Besides, that work is monotonous and hard to put up with. If you don't stand up to your wage-gouging, luxury-living boss, don't sneer at those who are manly enough to fight back.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ohhh of course the typical "its the union's fault" card right?
    Typical...

    Anyways something to think about:
    Just a bunch of partisan-crap slogans, nothing else.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Just a bunch of partisan-crap slogans, nothing else.
    Naw, no way. "Bain-style crony capitalism" is a totally objective and non-partisan term in business.

    The duck/dodge/dive approach to cast blame for this closure elsewhere than the unions--whose effect on business has always been toxic--is nothing but desperation and willful denial. In the end, the business does not exist, and the union's role in its non-existance is undeniable. Sit with that and squirm, lefties.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    What I've noticed instead is that, especially in immigrant-owned convenience stores, the managers replace the good stuff with off-brand junk. I suspect these are concocted by slave-wage companies that can offer a bigger profit margin to the stores.
    Actually, that is exactly the kind of thing you should be supporting if I am not correct.

    You see, Hostess is part of a large National corporation, like WallMart. And they charge more because they have to support dead wood and pay for operations that do not return as much money.

    Where as most of the "off-brand" companies are normally locally owned and operated, quite often a single location that is normally only an LLC.

    SO this is an irony, you are actually saying that the big Conglomerate is better then the small family owned businesses?
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    If 100 autoworkers make 100 cars, it is equivalent to each worker making a $20,000 car even if he only screws on a door. Besides, that work is monotonous and hard to put up with. If you don't stand up to your wage-gouging, luxury-living boss, don't sneer at those who are manly enough to fight back.

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    Being manly is not standing in an unemployment line to live off the government tit. Besides, stop being a crybaby about it. They played poker and they lost.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post

    But come on, a professional sports union? This is just getting out of hand, when somebody with a starting wage of over $750,000 (and your guaranteed salary after 5 years is over $1 million) needs a union.

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    You're begging the question. The only reason players get paid like that (which is only fair because they produce billions in revenue) is because they finally organized a union after 100 years of wage slavery. I first realized this when reading Jim Bouton's Ball Four. He was a 20-game winner in the pre-union 60s who had to beg for a salary of $18,000! Even adjusting for inflation, that is about 3% of what he could get today. Most players back then had to work during the off-season.

    I identify the method of attaining economic freedom of superior athletes with what superior minds should do. Nobel Prize winner Kary Mullis got a $30,000 bonus for his invention, which his inferior-IQ corporate slavemasters sold for $300,000,000! That's .01%, and in general superior minds get the same raw deal non-unionized superior athletes got. The Capitaliban merely hike the ball, the employeess make it gain ground, and the STEM employees are the superstars.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    You're begging the question. The only reason players get paid like that (which is only fair because they produce billions in revenue) is because they finally organized a union after 100 years of wage slavery. I first realized this when reading Jim Bouton's Ball Four. He was a 20-game winner in the pre-union 60s who had to beg for a salary of $18,000! Even adjusting for inflation, that is about 3% of what he could get today. Most players back then had to work during the off-season.
    And does anybody think it will go back to that point again anytime in the future?

    Look, I have no problem with employees unionizing if conditions and wages are crap. But that does not mean the union has to be a permanent fixture. Because almost every time, what eventually happens is that the unions themselves start to exploit the workers, wanting the higher pay (and dues) to fill their own coffers.

    Trust me, this is no longer the 1960's. The players now make almost obscene salaries, as do actors. It always puzzled me how we have salary caps on CEOs, but not on employees. But if the Baseball union dissapeared tomorrow, do you or anybody else in here think the days will return to where the players make starvation wages?

    For me, I have pretty much abandoned watching professional sports. The unions and strikes have pretty much ruined the game's enjoyment, and now I stick strictly to more amateur sports, like skiing and college football.

    But nice dodge there, I guess you really do favor the big national conglomerates over the small local companies.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    "Milked the workers for everything they could."

    What does that mean other than a slogan?

    Offer ANY $18 an hour job around here and people would line up for 300 yards.
    The hedge fund DIDN'T invest in Hostess, it borrowed the money to "invest" in Hostess BUT it transferred the debt to Hostess. As a result Hostess didn't actually receive a large infusion of capitol to improve the company, make it more competitive and upgrade its manufacturing. The hedge funds Bained Hostess. They transferred the debt to the company thus making a very difficult situation even worse for Hostess employees. At the same time they went back to the workers and told them they had to pony up some more money! During this process Hostess executives were given large raises and golden parachutes. THAT is milking the workers.










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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The hedge fund DIDN'T invest in Hostess, it borrowed the money to "invest" in Hostess BUT it transferred the debt to Hostess. As a result Hostess didn't actually receive and infusion of investment to improve the company, make it more competitive and upgrade its manufacturing. The hedge fund Bained them. The transferred the debt to the company thus making a very difficult situation even worse for Hostess employees. At the same time they went back to the workers and told them they had to pony up some more money! During this process Hostess executives were given large raises and golden parachutes. THAT is milking the workers.
    I guess I'd rather be a hedge fund person than a worker.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Hey, it wasn't only the rotten, evil investors taking money out of the company, do you know that the employees took 100% of their money out of the company?! 100%!!!!! I haven't read that even 1 employee took less than 100% of their paychecks.

    Just how greedy could those employees be?!

    And the company going broke won't show up on their credit reports either. That's how corrupt the system is for total greedy people like the Hostess employees are. And it's not like the employees wanted a little bit of the money they could get in their paychecks, they wanted 100% of it!

    Anyone who wants to make money off a corporation is fundamentally evil, and the most evil of all then is the Hostess employees.

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