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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    No need to pretend, you would never accept it. I say that because one does not exclude the other, does not have much to do with the other really.

    It wasn’t that the bakers offered no concessions. The gap just wasn’t closed.
    Maybe the gap "just wasn’t closed". Now they got what they want: the gap is completely closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, if Hostess goes the way of the dinosaur can we stop honoring the Twinkie Defense?
    Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! What ever would we do with out it????? On a serious note, a defence attornony and the associated cliet should be able to bring up ANY defence they like.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Or these people have skills that will get land them a job somewhere else? Or more like them landing in the unemployment line...

    Union zombies, think for yourselves or BOHICA.
    I know what BOHICA means! I saw on a sign in Camp Doha in Kuwait next to the signs for SNAFU and FUBAR. Took me two years to figure it out. Bend Over Here It Comes Again. BOHICA. Yep the Hostess former employees definately BOHICA.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    People should use their brains and commen sense. Hostess has been struggling for years just to stay in business. Company after company after company, from mega-corporations to mom-and-pop groceries are struggling to stay in business, asking employees for concessions in return for still having a damned job. Most people with two sparking brain cells look at the global economic crisis, the unemployment crisis in America, and think, "what's better for me? Having a job with less money and fewer benefits, but still bringing cash into my pocket, or meekly accepting that my employer is unable to give me what I want, so I should close the company down so we can have another 18,500 jobless people on the street?"

    This was a no-brainer. And that Bakers union not only had no brains, they now have no jobs, and they took 7,000 other people who were willing to compromise for the good of everyone down with them.

    So, how did "seeking to change that bad situation" work out for them? This wasn't rocket science. They'll get no sympathy from me.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Congratulation is now in order. The bakers' union won. The company's mismanagement is no longer their problem. The little David defeated the giant Goliath. Everybody can now go home singing kumbaya. Now enjoy your thankgiving and merry Christmas for a victorious good fight. America can now go on without the unheathy fat-laden junk foods stuffing their waistlines.
    I think some of the most fascinating comments I have read about this debacle is from The New Yorker, by James Surowiecki. And while the entire commentary is worth reading, the ending is particularly important I think:

    The real issue here is that people’s image of unions, and their sense that doing something like going on strike is legitimate, seems to depend quite a bit, in the U.S., on how common unions are in the workforce. When organized labor represented more than a third of American workers, it was easy for unions to send the message that in agitating for their own interests, union members were also helping improve conditions for workers in general. But as unions have shrunk, and have become increasingly concentrated in the public sector, it’s become easier for people to dismiss them as just another special interest, looking to hold onto perks that no one else gets. Perhaps the most striking response to the Hostess news, in that sense, was the tweet from conservative John Nolte, who wrote “Hostess strikers had pension. PENSIONS! What is this 1962?” It was once taken for granted that an industrial worker who worked for a big company for many years would get a solid middle-class lifestyle, and would be taken care of in retirement. Today, that concept seems to many like a relic. Just as Wonder Bread does.
    Who Killed the Twinkie? : The New Yorker

    I had long questioned unions, and my disgust at them has only increased with almost every strike or protest. Back before I left LA in 2003, there had been a grocery workers strike going on. And I carefully listened to what the demands were. And frankly, they turned my stomach.

    I remember when jobs like "stock boy" and "bag boy" was generally held by a High School student, making a little extra after school. Well, in a place like LA it is now a union career. I remember seeing the "bag boy" with a 15 year employment pin, and was seriously going WTF over there. No wonder teens have increasing trouble finding jobs, their parents are doing them now as union jobs.

    Making as a starting wage $18 an hour, with full medical benefits at no cost.

    Holy crap, and that is really what I said to myself. These people start at about the same wage an experienced computer technician make, but with 100% free medical. Maybe I got into the wrong industry, to hell with education and training, I can just stick cans of soup on the shelf and make a lot more cause of the union!

    Well, while this strike was going on I left LA, and thankfully have only been back for visits. And in the settlement, the compromise essentially was increased benefits for the current employees, but reduced for any future employees hired.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    I think some of the most fascinating comments I have read about this debacle is from The New Yorker, by James Surowiecki. And while the entire commentary is worth reading, the ending is particularly important I think:


    Who Killed the Twinkie? : The New Yorker

    I had long questioned unions, and my disgust at them has only increased with almost every strike or protest. Back before I left LA in 2003, there had been a grocery workers strike going on. And I carefully listened to what the demands were. And frankly, they turned my stomach.

    I remember when jobs like "stock boy" and "bag boy" was generally held by a High School student, making a little extra after school. Well, in a place like LA it is now a union career. I remember seeing the "bag boy" with a 15 year employment pin, and was seriously going WTF over there. No wonder teens have increasing trouble finding jobs, their parents are doing them now as union jobs.

    Making as a starting wage $18 an hour, with full medical benefits at no cost.

    Holy crap, and that is really what I said to myself. These people start at about the same wage an experienced computer technician make, but with 100% free medical. Maybe I got into the wrong industry, to hell with education and training, I can just stick cans of soup on the shelf and make a lot more cause of the union!

    Well, while this strike was going on I left LA, and thankfully have only been back for visits. And in the settlement, the compromise essentially was increased benefits for the current employees, but reduced for any future employees hired.
    Maybe in the long past when workers were treated like slaves during the early industrial period unions were blessings. But, nowadays I haven't heard anything good or sensible coming out from the unions.

    From your link, here's the pertinent quote that describes the situation:

    "Perhaps the most striking response to the Hostess news, in that sense, was the tweet from conservative John Nolte, who wrote “Hostess strikers had pension. PENSIONS! What is this 1962?”

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    Maybe in the long past when workers were treated like slaves during the early industrial period unions were blessings. But, nowadays I haven't heard anything good or sensible coming out from the unions.
    Actually, I do still support unions in dangerous jobs, such as mine workers and steel workers. In an industry like that, the unions oversee both OSHA and the companies, and take care of the workers and their families in the event of something dreadfull happening.

    But come on, a professional sports union? This is just getting out of hand, when somebody with a starting wage of over $750,000 (and your guaranteed salary after 5 years is over $1 million) needs a union. Personally, I think unions should come and go as needed, not become permanent fixtures in the workplace. Because then they become exploitive.

    Personally, I think that every single ballot in a union should be a secret ballot. That way the workers can vote how they wish, with no fear of backlash because they did not vote the way the union bosses wanted them to vote.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And now they have a pay of $0, which is going to make all of those things considerably more difficult, over a take-home pay difference of about one DirecTV payment per month.

    And that includes everyone who now has no job, not just the people involved in the strike.
    No, WE-THE-PEOPLE are going to pay them $10 to $11 per hour in unemployment benefits, give them food stamps, housing assistance and medicad. It will instead be us, not Hostess, that will be paying their salary and to do nothing rather than labor. Sounds like they're getting laid off really is more like a promotion.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No, WE-THE-PEOPLE are going to pay them $10 to $11 per hour in unemployment benefits, give them food stamps, housing assistance and medicad. It will instead be us, not Hostess, that will be paying their salary and to do nothing rather than labor. Sounds like they're getting laid off really is more like a promotion.
    Lest forget those employees paid into the system

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