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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    And the sad part of this I think is that apparently some of these people knew exactly what their strike would do, but did not care.


    Union members with Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International picket across the street from the Hostess owned Dolly Madison bakery Wednesday in Emporia, Kan. Hostess, based in Irving, Texas, has warned that the strike by about 30 percent of its workforce could lead to bakery closures. (AP Photo/Emporia Gazette,Matthew Fowler )

    Striking worker and Chief Steward Kravis Pfeiffer from the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union, representing the Hostess workers from the Hostess Production Bakery, 1511 West Lincoln Avenue in Peoria, Ill., holds signs Tuesday, Nov. 13, 2012. Pfeiffer who has been camping out overnight in a tent in the back of his truck said that they don't want to give up what the older generation of workers fought for. (AP Photo/Journal Star, Fred Zwicky)
    Hostess threatens to liquidate if striking workers don't return

    TO me this is just disgusting. And even the Teamsters thinks so, that should say something.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So people should just accept when they are forced into a bad situation and not seek to change it? That's not very American. We should meekly accept the lot given to us? I thought striving and taking risks is something we reward in this country.
    There's a difference between trying to change something and committing suicide in pursuit of futility. They chose the latter.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So people should just accept when they are forced into a bad situation and not seek to change it? That's not very American. We should meekly accept the lot given to us? I thought striving and taking risks is something we reward in this country.
    Have you ever heard the saying "Cutting off the nose to spite the face"?
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So people should just accept when they are forced into a bad situation and not seek to change it? That's not very American. We should meekly accept the lot given to us? I thought striving and taking risks is something we reward in this country.
    They could have always quit. Then they'd be in the same place they are now. The difference is they wouldn't have dragged everyone else down with them.

    BTW, there are ways to better your situation beyond strangling the business you work for.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    They could have always quit. Then they'd be in the same place they are now. The difference is they wouldn't have dragged everyone else down with them.
    Yeah, from the post above, it appears at least some were intentionally trying to kill the company. Way to take everyone down with you if you don't get what you want.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    I might accept that, if not for the fact that the Teamsters Union is also castigating the Bakers Union over the coals for their strike.
    No need to pretend, you would never accept it. I say that because one does not exclude the other, does not have much to do with the other really.
    And do not forget, this was all started when a Bankruptcy Judge ordered contract concessions as a way to try and save the company.
    It wasn’t that the bakers offered no concessions. The gap just wasn’t closed.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    It's gonna get worse.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    No need to pretend, you would never accept it. I say that because one does not exclude the other, does not have much to do with the other really.

    It wasn’t that the bakers offered no concessions. The gap just wasn’t closed.
    I honestly believe that they never negotiated in good faith. They smelled blood on the water, and thought they could milk the company for every cent they could. However, the underestimated how bad the financial trouble was.

    The Teamsters recognized it, and they put the vote to accept the contract to their members in a secret ballot. And the members accepted it.

    The Bakers union however made it a public vote (something I always dissagreed with), and simply asked for authorization to strike. I think that they never negotiated in good faith, and it seems that the Teamsters agree with me.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    I guess that working at Hostess is so bad that they'd rather have the place go under.

    I am sure that lots of peeps have worked at places that were so bad, that they didn't care if they went under or not.

    The money, or lack of it, just wasn't worth it.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Back in 2011 after the company had hired already hired bankruptcy lawyers, they decided to engage in the fiscally responsible plan to triple the then CEO's pay. That kind of stunt is good reason to question if the negotiations were in good faith.

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