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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    And does anybody think it will go back to that point again anytime in the future?

    Look, I have no problem with employees unionizing if conditions and wages are crap. But that does not mean the union has to be a permanent fixture. Because almost every time, what eventually happens is that the unions themselves start to exploit the workers, wanting the higher pay (and dues) to fill their own coffers.

    Trust me, this is no longer the 1960's. The players now make almost obscene salaries, as do actors. It always puzzled me how we have salary caps on CEOs, but not on employees. But if the Baseball union dissapeared tomorrow, do you or anybody else in here think the days will return to where the players make starvation wages?

    For me, I have pretty much abandoned watching professional sports. The unions and strikes have pretty much ruined the game's enjoyment, and now I stick strictly to more amateur sports, like skiing and college football.

    But nice dodge there, I guess you really do favor the big national conglomerates over the small local companies.
    The players produce almost all the billions in revenue, so they only get paid what they are worth, as long as the public is willing to pay high ticket prices, which they are in spite of your phoney resentment.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Being manly is not standing in an unemployment line to live off the government tit. Besides, stop being a crybaby about it. They played poker and they lost.
    A stock certificate is just a piece of paper a real man would put his fist through. Owners aren't earners.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Well everyone has opinions but I'm extremely proud of crossing the line of a blue flu as a young officer and giving my community 14 hours a day - not too mention the 6 hours of over time was killer. If you think anyone not in a union is a boy toy of the rich what is a unionite - a boy toy of a socialist union boss?


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    If the Capitaliban own a man's work, they own the man. If you're not a union man, you're not a man. You're just a boytoy of the rich.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    The players produce almost all the billions in revenue, so they only get paid what they are worth, as long as the public is willing to pay high ticket prices, which they are in spite of your phoney resentment.
    So why the unions and strikes then?

    I tell you, I lost all my confidence in MLB and in one of my favorite pitchers, Orel Hershiser, when they went on strike. Back in 1994, he was the Players Spokeshole during the strike, when we had no baseball at all. And back then, he went on camera and almost cried at how "abused" the players were, and how they "were not getting their fair share".

    All the time, he was making over $4 million a year.

    Oh yes, my heart really bled for him. It bled so bad I have never been to a baseball game ever since. This is a guy that is tallented, but he makes more throwing a ball in 2 months then I will ever make in my entire lifetime. Then he has the nerve to get up and say how it is not enough.

    That is my general opinions of unions now. They will lie, cheat, and abuse the system however they can to exploit as much money as they can. And what about the thousands of others that work at the stadiums? I have sold concessions at sporting events myself, for comission and nothing else. Now I made pretty damned good money doing it, but when there is a strike it throws all of them out of work also. And the cleaning crews, and the security, and the parking attendents, and everybody else that relies on that income to put food on the table.

    So they feel abused and strike, and to hell with the people who really are working hard to make ends meet. Baseball, football, hockey, basketball, I for one am sick to death of all the overpaid union primadonnas. They make often times insane wages, and the burden is then shifted to those of us that buy their products. But they do not are, as long as they get the most they can.

    $18 and free health benefits for bagging groceries? $4 million a year for throwing around a baseball? $25 an hour for driving a school bus 4 hours a day? It is no wonder that our economy is broken, and more and more people are trying to ditch unions when they can.

    And don't give me the "they deserved it" nonsense. The Teamsters thought the offer was more then fair, and they and their members voted to accept the new contract. And they are pretty pissed at the Bakers, for forcing them all to loose their jobs because they were not willing to negotiate. So because of one union, two unions now have members without jobs.

    Good going there.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    I guess I can see the solidarity between obama and unionites here in this post. After all the union doesn't realize "who built that" either.


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    A stock certificate is just a piece of paper a real man would put his fist through. Owners aren't earners.

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    A stock certificate is just a piece of paper a real man would put his fist through. Owners aren't earners.
    Nonsense since many are people are both workers and investors (part owners). Selling shares of stock to generate working capital is a good way to make a good thing bigger and better. Don't invest if that makes you feel better, but you likely enjoy many of the goods and services that those shares of stock enable, like the insurance Obama will soon make sure that you buy.
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I guess I can see the solidarity between obama and unionites here in this post. After all the union doesn't realize "who built that" either.

    So if the union members did not build (or in this case manufacture) the twinkies why did the company shut down because of a lack of twinkies?
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    "The bakery union workers have already given leadership the right to strike. ... 1 month before filing bankruptcy this company gave ALL upper management a HUGE pay raise and ... paying into the pension and yet have KEPT that 3.40 an hour and out it in their pockets."I couldn't find the link to verify this, but I had remembered reading it yesterday. Upper management tripled its pay. The union paid $3.40 per hour, $136 per week back to the company and the company kept the money and that is a lot of money. There's two sides to this story. It was taken over by Bain Capital type vulture capitalists and milked of its assets and that's just good business, eh?Here's the linkhttp://www.emporiagazette.com/news/2012/may/11/bctgm-strike-vote-wednesday/
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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

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    Re: Twinkies maker Hostess going out of business

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    The is Hostess going out of business and workers being laid off.Not a duplicate thread.
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