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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    You mean like BJ Clinton playing golf instead of giving the green light to kill osama bin laden and handing off an inept intelligence community that ignored radical isalm even after the USS Cole, the African Embassy bombings, and Somolia. That you want to pin on Bush because he didn't have jets flying around the WTC that day because an intelligence briefing said someone was studying flying but not landing? That is the best you got? That it woefully inept to putting an ambassador alone in a complex that has already been attacked twice, in a city where the Brits and Red Cross had to leave because of the threat; you have failed to make your point just like obama failed to protect our people. Why do you care? obama said the buck stops with him or don't you believe him? The left does not care they placate the deaths of these four people as "oh well those evil radicals" while not casting a single stone at the administration which is at best inept and at worst wanted to make a mockery of it calling it a riot induced threat instead of al queda. NO political intent there - and since that dribble didn't fly just go into stall model because that 47% really doesn't care - they just want their bennies.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    How did you feel about the 3000 dead because the Bush administration ignored CIA warnings about a Bin Laden attack? It seems to me that this proves the right doesn't care about America.

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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    After four long years of Obama, do you really have to ask such a silly question? The answer is: For political advantage in the election, of course!
    This is the part that confuses the hell out of me. What real advantage would any of these supposed deceptions given the WH for the election? It really doesn’t make sense. That goes for Petraeus getting the boot, too. The election impact of that has to be pretty close to nil (Petraeus being a known GOP member, and had even been the subject of idle speculation of the GOP nomination for Prez being in his future).

    I don’t see how it is any sort a big flipping deal that the words “al qaeda” weren’t used in the public description very early on when they still just suspected the link. When you aren’t yet confident you keep it vague on the details you do not feel sure of, yet. Otherwise you end up like Rice, giving the impression of deception or something to hide when you have to roll back parts.

    Rice, for her part, I just don’t know. Part of all of this is that there was plenty of confusion by reporters and media outlets, conflating between what happened in Egypt and what happened in Libya. Rice might have been somewhat victim of that, too. Or she saw/heard some speculation that ultimately wasn’t cleared to go public, for the reasons I give in the paragraph above, but tinged how she was describing things. *shrug*

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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    This is the part that confuses the hell out of me. What real advantage would any of these supposed deceptions given the WH for the election?
    Obama has been campaigning for the last four years, and part of his stump speech has been that "al Quaeda is on the run." The guy has a mental block against using the terms "Islamist terrorists" or "Islamic extremists" and just cannot bring himself to admit, even to himself, that his apology tour and "reset" to the Muslim world has been an abject failure. Moreover, the decision was probably made by his brain trust (Valerie Jarrett); the only decision Obama seems capable of making is to vote "present."

    As for Susan Rice, anyone who is willing to be a sock puppet for Obama can have no credibilty on the world stage, and it would be a national embarassment for her to represent us.
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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    I don't need anything else to blame Obama. He said in the debate the buck stops with him and why shouldn't he - you, and his supporters don't care that 4 men are dead, one a US ambassador that was not adequately protected. I've been in our consulates, our embassies, and the one in France is far more protected then the one in Benghazi - imagine that competence (lack there of). Obama is already a total failure to me so I don't need any further information to cast blame on him. His administration failed. He has taken no action other then to "investigate" and delay to get relected. No one was been fired even the woman who testified she personally turned down requests for more security. Since obama and his administration can't even find it necessary to replace such incredible failures I can cast the blame on him - but I will reiterate - people are dead and the left in America is proving beyond any doubt - they don't care!
    I'm just curious as to if you held Bush accountable for the 9-11 attacks when we were attacked on US soil and over 3000 died in one day. Where you also as critical of Bush when he started a war on bad intel about the WMD where we ended on in a decade long war killing thousands of our troops.
    Personally, I'm not happy when Americans die, but I also know it is impossible to prevent every attack. Congress reduced the funds spent on security for our ambassadors. While it's horrible we lost 4 Americans in the Benghazi attack, it is far from the worst thing that has happened to the US and I see no reason to blame Obama for it.

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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Where is there any certainty that the CIA took the line out? I don't see anything that says who exactly took that out. That's one of the big questions now.....who removed the stuff about terrorists?

    And don't forget there were people watching this live.
    Yeah, at this point we don't know who took it out. Did someone at CIA change it after Petraeus saw it? Someone at the White House? Someone at NDI or elsewhere? Safe money is on the CIA or the WH.

    This is more serious than partisan politics. If a person or office stopped the POTUS from seeing this information then that is serious. While this particular event of withholding information from the POTUS did not cost lives, it makes one wonder what else has been withheld from him that senior intelligence officers deemed worthy of the POTUS' attention. This is same type of crap that was pulled in the Bush administration where the POTUS was insulated from the information he needed by the people around him.

    That sh!t has got to stop.

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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    I'm just curious as to if you held Bush accountable for the 9-11 attacks when we were attacked on US soil and over 3000 died in one day. Where you also as critical of Bush when he started a war on bad intel about the WMD where we ended on in a decade long war killing thousands of our troops.
    Personally, I'm not happy when Americans die, but I also know it is impossible to prevent every attack. Congress reduced the funds spent on security for our ambassadors. While it's horrible we lost 4 Americans in the Benghazi attack, it is far from the worst thing that has happened to the US and I see no reason to blame Obama for it.
    I think it is the lying that is the problem...always is...one would think by now the politicians would have figured that out.

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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    No true partisan hack would blame their beloved; clearly not for anything. I guess you didn't listen to obama in the debate he said the buck stopped with him and still you give him a pass.

    As for the first 9-11 the tragedy began under BJ Clinton and was ignored by both BJ Clinton and GW Bush. Both I'm sure believe they could have done things different and changed things and I've seen that in their discussions. What do I see out of obama - lies - blame - not me - and even worse running out the clock for the big game.

    As to failed intel for Iraq I disagree with the conventional theory there were no WMD's. I could debate it with you all day long. Just because you don't have a barrel of some horrible chemical doesn't mean he didn't have a chemist that was ready to make it, and if you don't believe me ask a Kurd - they'll tell you first hand how Saddam had WMD's and used them. Or maybe you are a greater expert than our CIA, British Intelligence, the UN, Hillary, BJ Clinton, and just about everyone else that agreed there was a threat of WMD's with Saddam.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    I'm just curious as to if you held Bush accountable for the 9-11 attacks when we were attacked on US soil and over 3000 died in one day. Where you also as critical of Bush when he started a war on bad intel about the WMD where we ended on in a decade long war killing thousands of our troops.
    Personally, I'm not happy when Americans die, but I also know it is impossible to prevent every attack. Congress reduced the funds spent on security for our ambassadors. While it's horrible we lost 4 Americans in the Benghazi attack, it is far from the worst thing that has happened to the US and I see no reason to blame Obama for it.

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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Apparently the CIA report was scrubbed, the question is who exactly scrubbed it and then who told them to do so. IMO this goes right to the top.

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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Apparently the CIA report was scrubbed, the question is who exactly scrubbed it and then who told them to do so. IMO this goes right to the top.
    Wherever it goes, I want to know where.

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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Wherever it goes, I want to know where.
    Same here...
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