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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The idea that the head of the CIA wasn't the last to lay eyes on the briefing to the Administration is disconcerting.
    Agreed. The last word presented to the Administration should have been signed off on by Petraeus.
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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Seems like Petraeus has a problem. Seems like even he alluded to the protest in his own briefing.
    Was Patraeus simply reading the "Obama approved" official CIA talking points of that day? Perhaps, with the hope that would keep his "affair" from removing him from his latest job, he decided to play along. The most disturbing part is that nobody is named as the author of those talking points. You can not convict "anonymous" of lying or cooking the books. Each puppet, and the puppet master, is innocent as long as they never have to disclose who pulls their strings.
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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Man, that is quite a lot of conspiracy there over what I deem a minor issue. There are a plethora of reasons for any one of them to lie about the cause of the attack. It doesn't always have to be nefarious, perhaps it was part of a ruse to get the attackers to lower their guard.

    Benghazi attack suspect arrested in Tunisia; AP reports 2nd suspect killed in Egypt - CBS News

    Not saying that is the reason, but it could be.

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    Was Patraeus simply reading the "Obama approved" official CIA talking points of that day? Perhaps, with the hope that would keep his "affair" from removing him from his latest job, he decided to play along. The most disturbing part is that nobody is named as the author of those talking points. You can not convict "anonymous" of lying or cooking the books. Each puppet, and the puppet master, is innocent as long as they never have to disclose who pulls their strings.
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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    A couple of things...

    First, I believe messages regarding intel...such as from the CIA...are vetted through the Director National Intelligence first before going to the President.

    Second, the article is somewhat ambiguous in reality by this statement:

    Former CIA Director David Petraeus testified in a closed-door hearing Friday morning that his agency determined immediately after the Sept. 11 Libya attack that "Al Qaeda involvement" was suspected -- but the line was taken out in the final version circulated to administration officials, according to a top lawmaker who was briefed.
    In reality, in terms of government speak and the general flow of the bureaucracy, there's legitimately two ways to read that and think of the situation.

    A) The CIA drafts Administration "talking points" and distributes them Itself

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    B) The CIA drafts it's talking points which is submitted to the POTUS, whose staff disseminates it out to the officials of the administration

    Either could be possible, and the line in the story in no way is a definitive claim that it was the CIA that took out the information between their original penning of the intel and the point in which it was circulated.

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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The idea that the head of the CIA wasn't the last to lay eyes on the briefing to the Administration is disconcerting.
    And probably horse****. really stop and think about it for a moment. What wouldn't this guy see. and he missed one report like that?

    Really. Hey listen I got some nice lake front property in New York State I would like to talk to you about.
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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A couple of things...

    First, I believe messages regarding intel...such as from the CIA...are vetted through the Director National Intelligence first before going to the President.

    Second, the article is somewhat ambiguous in reality by this statement:



    In reality, in terms of government speak and the general flow of the bureaucracy, there's legitimately two ways to read that and think of the situation.

    A) The CIA drafts Administration "talking points" and distributes them Itself

    or

    B) The CIA drafts it's talking points which is submitted to the POTUS, whose staff disseminates it out to the officials of the administration

    Either could be possible, and the line in the story in no way is a definitive claim that it was the CIA that took out the information between their original penning of the intel and the point in which it was circulated.
    I like this one better. Makes moree sense.
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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Well, we know which version the Right Wing Conspiracy theorists believe, don't we?
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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    And probably horse****. really stop and think about it for a moment. What wouldn't this guy see. and he missed one report like that?

    Really. Hey listen I got some nice lake front property in New York State I would like to talk to you about.
    I have to admit that Petraeus' version certainly paints him in the best possible light.
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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Wait you mean it wasn't an "insensitive video" that hurt Al Qaeda's feelings?

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    Re: Petraeus testifies CIA's Libya talking points were changed, lawmaker says

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A couple of things...

    First, I believe messages regarding intel...such as from the CIA...are vetted through the Director National Intelligence first before going to the President.

    Second, the article is somewhat ambiguous in reality by this statement:



    In reality, in terms of government speak and the general flow of the bureaucracy, there's legitimately two ways to read that and think of the situation.

    A) The CIA drafts Administration "talking points" and distributes them Itself

    or

    B) The CIA drafts it's talking points which is submitted to the POTUS, whose staff disseminates it out to the officials of the administration

    Either could be possible, and the line in the story in no way is a definitive claim that it was the CIA that took out the information between their original penning of the intel and the point in which it was circulated.
    So what does the DNI/DDNI say about the "official" CIA report? It seems that everyone has no idea just who gets to make the "official" call (about anything). The public (and congress) gets so many "official" versions that we need months of hearings and investigations into everything simply to confirm that chaos exists (just like with fast & fuzzy, Solyndra and ...). This all, of course, makes little difference since "getting it right next time" is impossible if we allow the current "anonymous" and "blameless" system to remain in place. In Benghazi the security was lax, more security was requested, an attack happened, nobody responded to Obama order to "do all that we can", 4 people died and nobody was "wrong". USA, USA, USA...
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