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Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

rocket88 said:
I didn't say I was better at it. I'm just waiting for the "experts" to actually do it.
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You keep missing the part where the 'experts' have been. Consistently...since this country was formed. If you have a job and work for someone else...odds are pretty good you know that. In this case 18000 people have (or is it 'had' yet?) jobs because of those experts. Those jobs are at risk because those 18000 workers decided they didnt want those jobs.
 
Ikari said:
I've given my answer to you clearly several times. I can't help it if English isn't your primary language.
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That's what I thought... You refuse to answer the question.

Speaks volumes about the validity of your beliefs.
 
rocket88 said:
And I'm the one with partisan BS? :lamo
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There is nothing partisan about saying half this country is venomously anti-business.

In nearly 9,000 posts you, yourself, have made it perfectly clear that there will never be enough labor strikes, environmental laws, business regulations, etc. to satisfy you and half the country agrees with you. Businesses can't investment to grow in this sort of environment.
 
Ikari said:
Labor isn't free. A man owns the sweat of his brow. And I'm not sure your contention is correct. With a brand name like Hostess, someone will pick that up if it goes through bankruptcy and they will also need workers.
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I don't know if someone will pick up a brand name like Hostess in this business environment but if someone does they won't be paying non-union workers $18+/hour to work in their factories. They'll be paid roughly minimum wage, perhaps a buck or two more.
 
Donahue said:
I don't know if someone will pick up a brand name like Hostess in this business environment but if someone does they won't be paying non-union workers $18+/hour to work in their factories. They'll be paid roughly minimum wage, perhaps a buck or two more.
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It's clear that to support the American worker and save American jobs Barrack Obama must fire the Hostess CEO, buy the company with taxpayer dollars and put his own person in there. This would not only save jobs it would have have broad American support and save a national icon.
 
Donahue said:
I don't know if someone will pick up a brand name like Hostess in this business environment but if someone does they won't be paying non-union workers $18+/hour to work in their factories. They'll be paid roughly minimum wage, perhaps a buck or two more.
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Maybe, maybe not. We'll have to wait and see.
 
Grant said:
It's clear that to support the American worker and save American jobs Barrack Obama must fire the Hostess CEO, buy the company with taxpayer dollars and put his own person in there. This would not only save jobs it would have have broad American support and save a national icon.
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I can't tell if you're being facetious.
 
Paschendale said:
And this is why unions exist. So that those who have money and power cannot exercise that power over everyone else with impunity.
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LOL lot of good it did those unionistas in this case

economic reality one, Obamasupporting union members ZERO
 
Donahue said:
There is nothing partisan about saying half this country is venomously anti-business.

In nearly 9,000 posts you, yourself, have made it perfectly clear that there will never be enough labor strikes, environmental laws, business regulations, etc. to satisfy you and half the country agrees with you. Businesses can't investment to grow in this sort of environment.
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Really? You've gone and read all my posts?

Wow, somebody needs a hobby.
 
If they hate their job because of working conditions, or have other reasons, why not take a nice vacation for up to 99 weeks, and cash in on all the other free stuff that they have been paying for all the years they have worked.

Talk to a few people who are unemployment. You may come across some that echo this sentiment.
 
Donahue said:
I can't tell if you're being facetious.
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That's the question I asked myself when BHO announced he was going to buy GM in order to save jobs. It's hard to tell who's being facetious these days.
 
Paschendale said:
And this is why unions exist. So that those who have money and power cannot exercise that power over everyone else with impunity.
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Ummm...

Do you realize that Hostess is going through bankruptcy? What part of bankrupt reads as "those who have money" to you?

The equation is simple. If the company pays the high wages, the company will not exist. Therefore, if the union stays out, the company will not exist. That's the whole story. The company told the workers that this was the first, final and only offer. To reject the offer was to loose the jobs. No mystery and no negotiation.

This is the mentality of the union worker.
 
Wake said:
It'd be interesting to see how this unfolds. There should come a point where a business simply can't survive by giving into a union's demands.
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In this case, that point was passed. If the union stays out, the jobs are gone. This is a bankruptcy. the old company has ceased to exist.

This is what should have happened with the UAW and GM. Obama re-wrote the law, no surprise there, in order to support his constituency. Breaking laws to buy votes is what Obama does. He doesn't need votes anymore.
 
code1211 said:
In this case, that point was passed. If the union stays out, the jobs are gone. This is a bankruptcy. the old company has ceased to exist.

This is what should have happened with the UAW and GM. Obama re-wrote the law, no surprise there, in order to support his constituency. Breaking laws to buy votes is what Obama does. He doesn't need votes anymore.
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In fact he could actually increase his constituency by 18,000 people if Hostess does go under.
 
Grim17 said:
This isn't good... I guess the question for the union workers is:

Is a job with a cut in pay, better than no job at all?

Read more: Hostess announces possible liquidation
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Well, I couldn't figure out why the union would do that to their employees. (Tomorrow will tell the tale if the company means what it says, I guess.) But here's a link that gives the company's perspective:

They're striking in order to hopefully discourage other companies in their union from asking for the same kinds of concessions.

At least it makes some sense now . . . not for the employees at Hostess, but others.

A war of words in the Hostess Brands strike - KansasCity.com
 
MaggieD said:
Well, I couldn't figure out why the union would do that to their employees. (Tomorrow will tell the tale if the company means what it says, I guess.) But here's a link that gives the company's perspective:

They're striking in order to hopefully discourage other companies in their union from asking for the same kinds of concessions.

At least it makes some sense now . . . not for the employees at Hostess, but others.

A war of words in the Hostess Brands strike - KansasCity.com
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I would laugh if that were the reason, but I am not so sure their union members are not brainwashed that they would not see their union just sold 18K members down the river. Well, at least if they get fired, the union does not have to pay them out of their strike fund anymore and the Union will no longer have to actually make an effort to do anything on their behalf.
 
So will Twinkies become so scarce that people sell them on Ebay at five or six times their retail value?

What is the shelf life for Twinkies?
 
johnny_rebson said:
So will Twinkies become so scarce that people sell them on Ebay at five or six times their retail value?

What is the shelf life for Twinkies?
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about 10-14 days despite the myth
 
This might alleviate some of the 'executive pay' concerns projected in this thread:

Hostess cuts execs' salaries after creditors complain - Dallas Business Journal

I'd say this is MUCH more committment than the mere $2/hr the union hands are protesting:

Gregory F. Rayburn, who took over as CEO at Hostess last month, told the Journal that the company's top four executives working under him had agreed to have their salaries cut to $1 a year until Hostess emerges from bankruptcy or Dec. 31, whichever occurs first.
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Grim17 said:
Who wins and who loses here by not ending the strike:

Company - Folds rather than continuing... They lose

Unions - No dues from 18,000 people... They lose

Workers - Go from $18 per hour + benefits, to approx $10 per hour and no benefits... They lose

Consumer - No more Hostess products like Twinkies and Ding Dongs... They lose

Government/Public - Go from collecting corporate taxes from Hostess and income taxes from 18,000 employees, to collecting no corporate taxes from Hostess, no income taxes from up to 18,000 workers and instead having to pay those people weekly wages not to work for up to 99 weeks... They lose​


Can anyone think of who wins here... Because I sure can't?
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Who else is being asked to take a hair cut?

Non union employees?
Executives?
The lender?


Only 50% of workers are union members, are they the only ones being asked to take a cut?
 
My dad was a union worker and his union called a strike. They were out for months....LSS, the workers would NEVER be able to recover their losses with the raise they got, as they would not live long enough...
 
Grim17 said:
Can anyone think of who wins here... Because I sure can't?
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Little Debbie and whoever buys the rights to the Hostess Brands
 
I might be wrong but Wonder bread is a Hostess brand and is pretty popular. Wouldn’t their absence on the store shelf cause a bread shortage and thus a price increase at least in the short term? Wouldn’t the supposed price increase on a pretty universal staple harm the low/middle class folks?
 
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