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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They have...18000 of them. Those 18000 dont like the terms. So we have an impasse. Now...maybe instead those with all the 'better ideas' ought to step up. A little bit of put up or shut up.
    We keep hearing from the GOP "cut taxes on job creators so they can create jobs." Nobody's taxes have gone up yet.


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Look, the Union is being idiotic here. But anybody who thinks it's all that simple...really it's not.
    The choices they are faced with now, couldn't be any more simple. The rest doesn't matter anymore...

    Either they continue the strike and lose their jobs, or they end the strike and keep their jobs.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    We keep hearing from the GOP "cut taxes on job creators so they can create jobs." Nobody's taxes have gone up yet.
    Yet. Regardless...you always have better ways...you always are so much better at the notion of job creation than those that have actually spent...oh...I dont know...decades actually CREATING jobs....so...why this timidness? Why is it when challenged to actually stand by your own ideas do you fail to do so?

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    That time has already come and gone...

    What the Union and their workers are left with is a choice between:

    a) Ending the strike, accepting the 8% pay cut and keeping their jobs

    b) Continuing the strike, the company folding, and all 18,000 workers losing their jobs.


    What in your estimate, is the best choice of action here... "a" or "b" ?
    They should take a temporary pay cut with contract guarantees of returning to nominal pay scale in the future.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They should take a temporary pay cut with contract guarantees of returning to nominal pay scale in the future.
    Look, the negotiations are over. I don't know what Hostess was offering, nor what the unions were demanding, but it's obvious that they couldn't come to an agreement... You are still in negotiation mode here, and that time has long passed.

    What we have now is 2, and only 2 choices... Either workers continue the strike and lose their jobs, or they end the strike and keep their jobs at an 8% reduction in pay... There's nothing else available here.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Look, the negotiations are over. I don't know what Hostess was offering, nor what the unions were demanding, but it's obvious that they couldn't come to an agreement... You are still in negotiation mode here, and that time has long passed.

    What we have now is 2, and only 2 choices... Either workers continue the strike and lose their jobs, or they end the strike and keep their jobs at an 8% reduction in pay... There's nothing else available here.
    I gave you my answer, sorry if you don't like it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yet. Regardless...you always have better ways...you always are so much better at the notion of job creation than those that have actually spent...oh...I dont know...decades actually CREATING jobs....so...why this timidness? Why is it when challenged to actually stand by your own ideas do you fail to do so?
    I didn't say I was better at it. I'm just waiting for the "experts" to actually do it.


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I gave you my answer, sorry if you don't like it.
    It's not a matter of liking it or not, it's a FACT that it's not an option that is on the table.

    Why do so many refuse to face reality head on?
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    It's not a matter of liking it or not, it's a FACT that it's not an option that is on the table.

    Why do so many refuse to face reality head on?
    I did not refuse to face reality head on. I very clearly stated that when both sides are going for the whole pie, this is what you get. The solution which would have worked is not presented and now you're at a breaking point.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I gave you my answer, sorry if you don't like it.
    I must have missed it... Was your answer:

    a) End the strike and keep their jobs at an 8% reduction in pay.
    b) Continue the strike, force the company to fold, and lose their jobs.

    Responding with an "a" or "b" is all you have to do.

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