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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    That wasn't the question... It's no longer about the 2 sides working toward a solution.

    it's about either continuing the strike, the company folding, and 18.000 people losing their jobs... Or ending the strike, the company staying open, and workers accepting an 8% reduction in pay and keeping their jobs.

    That is the question and I would like to know what you think would be best for the workers and for the American economy?
    It is best that both sides work towards a mutually acceptable solution. This isn't a one party thing. The aggressiveness of unions was in response to the aggressive nature of companies to take advantage of workers. And once the trust and loyalty between company and worker were lost, we escalated up to the "mutually ensured destruction" scenario we have now. It would be great if the unions would take the hit with the company making assurances and contract as to improving pay and hours back to their nominal levels when crisis is adverted; but when both sides are clamoring for the whole pie, this is what we get.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    God, how thick can we lay on the partisan bull****?

    18,000 people are going to lose their jobs, but I guess it's OK since they're Democrats.
    No reason for them to lose their jobs. The Union can simply employ them. Give them jobs. Good lord...its about time the Unions stopped being parasites. Id LOVE to see them actually buy the plant and run it AS a union plant. Time to step the **** up for once. Live your word.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Now if the company closes here, everybody loses in some sense. Does it make sense for the executives to be getting hundreds of thousands and ask for cuts only from the Unions? It's all interconnected. It's all a company's expense. Have you ever worked for a large corporation that's top heavy? It's sad, and when cuts come, who gets cut? Not the executives, that's for sure.
    Did you ever consider that the executives are under contract and their salary can't be touched? That can easily include any bonuses, fringe benefits, severance payments, deferred payments, retirement benefits, etc. Why liberals insist businesses go up a tree they can't go up is beyond me.

    That is why I said this earlier in the thread:

    In this case, what she is asking for most likely is for the government to not enforce the terms of a contract, but to change them for a "fairness" result.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is best that both sides work towards a mutually acceptable solution.
    That time has already come and gone...

    What the Union and their workers are left with is a choice between:

    a) Ending the strike, accepting the 8% pay cut and keeping their jobs

    b) Continuing the strike, the company folding, and all 18,000 workers losing their jobs.


    What in your estimate, is the best choice of action here... "a" or "b" ?

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did you ever consider that the executives are under contract and their salary can't be touched? That can easily include any bonuses, fringe benefits, severance payments, deferred payments, retirement benefits, etc. Why liberals insist businesses go up a tree they can't go up is beyond me.
    Unions are under contract too. Did you consider that?


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No reason for them to lose their jobs. The Union can simply employ them. Give them jobs. Good lord...its about time the Unions stopped being parasites. Id LOVE to see them actually buy the plant and run it AS a union plant. Time to step the **** up for once. Live your word.
    Maybe the "job creators" should step up and do that.


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Maybe the "job creators" should step up and do that.
    They have...18000 of them. Those 18000 dont like the terms. So we have an impasse. Now...maybe instead those with all the 'better ideas' ought to step up. A little bit of put up or shut up.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Unions are under contract too. Did you consider that?
    Yes I have.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Maybe the "job creators" should step up and do that.
    They have already discussed the options and it's come now down to either continuing the strike and losing their jobs, or ending the strike and remaining employed... Logic dictates that this is a no-brainer.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    They have already discussed the options and it's come now down to either continuing the strike and losing their jobs, or ending the strike and remaining employed... Logic dictates that this is a no-brainer.
    Look, the Union is being idiotic here. But anybody who thinks it's all that simple...really it's not.


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