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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    Companies like Nestle and Coke would undoubtedly have taken an interest in the brand name a few decades ago but, as Luther points out, there is a very real possibility that snack foods like that could be banned in the near future. There is just no real sense in spending the millions required to produce these snacks if the shelf life may only be a few years.
    There is not a real possibility that snack foods will be banned in the near future or ever. A good chunk of the startup cost could also be subsidized by economic development dollars that routinely bribe companies to bring jobs into certain areas.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why is it all the Union? Do the executives not get paid?

    It's all part of the picture of what's going on. Do you think it's OK for them to have huge salaries and not take cuts but only asking for that from the Union? I'm not even saying that's happening, but it would help paint the full picture rather than just blaming the favorite right-wing bogeyman.
    You might want to consider that when a company is in bankruptcy it really isn't their call to make--it is the Trustee's.....

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I have no say in the matter. Not only do I not eat Hostess products, I am neither manager nor union worker involved in the company. What do you want me to do about it?
    Nobody has asked, nor does anyone expect, that you to do anything about it... You were simply asked to give your opinion from an economic standpoint, of what is the best course of action for the union workers on strike to take.

    Is that so hard?

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    With 18,000 more people to take care of the Democrat party wins.
    I think the political affiliation of 18,000 unionized employees choosing unemployment over $18/hour for menial work is already established.

    The Democrat party already owns these "workers".

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This issue is cut and dry, and has nothing to do with executive pay. This is a simple choice between accepting a pay cut from a struggling company going through bankruptcy, and making an average of $18 an hour... Or forcing the company to close their doors, liquidate their assets, and all 18,000 employees lose their jobs permanently, and go on unemployment instead.

    What do you think is the right choice is here?
    It has to do with all of the company's expenses. Including executive pay.
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    When Maggie first posted this in a different thread, I recounted a company I worked for 10 years ago. When I started, they were in the midst of a merger, but back when the company started, all of the employees recieved an ownership stake in it. Stock was part of their compensation. So when the company was bought, they all got a nice "bonus" in a way. Shared success. When the company succeeded, they succeeded. Later, while I was there, there was a lull in business and some people were laid off. Wanna guess how many of them were executives?? Wanna guess if the executives took pay cuts?? There was no Union to blame all their problems on, so it was just what it was. But nobody trusted the executives after that.

    The moral of the story is, when the company sets up artificial "us vs. them" walls, the employees respond in kind.

    Now if the company closes here, everybody loses in some sense. Does it make sense for the executives to be getting hundreds of thousands and ask for cuts only from the Unions? It's all interconnected. It's all a company's expense. Have you ever worked for a large corporation that's top heavy? It's sad, and when cuts come, who gets cut? Not the executives, that's for sure.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    I think the political affiliation of 18,000 unionized employees choosing unemployment over $18/hour for menial work is already established.

    The Democrat party already owns these "workers".

    God, how thick can we lay on the partisan bull****?

    18,000 people are going to lose their jobs, but I guess it's OK since they're Democrats.


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    God, how thick can we lay on the partisan bull****?

    18,000 people are going to lose their jobs, but I guess it's OK since they're Democrats.
    No, it's 'ok' because they are doing it to themselves, out of their own greed. And due to blindly following the union, who clearly is not really looking out for their well being.
    "nah i think the way cons want to turn this into a political issue is funny though" - Philly Boss

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    No, it's 'ok' because they are doing it to themselves, out of their own greed. And due to blindly following the union, who clearly is not really looking out for their well being.
    It's partially due to them. Mismanagement is not them. When a company that size just closes up shop, there's more than that going on.


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Nobody has asked, nor does anyone expect, that you to do anything about it... You were simply asked to give your opinion from an economic standpoint, of what is the best course of action for the union workers on strike to take.

    Is that so hard?
    I already gave you that answer. Of course its better to work towards a mutually acceptable solution. But as I said, neither side has any loyalty to the other and this is what happens.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I already gave you that answer. Of course its better to work towards a mutually acceptable solution. But as I said, neither side has any loyalty to the other and this is what happens.
    That wasn't the question... It's no longer about the 2 sides working toward a solution.

    it's about either continuing the strike, the company folding, and 18.000 people losing their jobs... Or ending the strike, the company staying open, and workers accepting an 8% reduction in pay and keeping their jobs.

    That is the question and I would like to know what you think would be best for the workers and for the American economy?

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