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    Re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Is THAT what this is all about?? (What are you doing up?)

    If you read my earlier posts, you would see that I blamed piss-poor company management and a complete loss of trust for part of this strike and the position Hostess finds itself in today. What are employees supposed to think when the company collects pension contributions from the employees and never puts that money into their pension fund?? (It is my understanding that the bankruptcy judge ruled that money doesn't have to be paid back either.) What should they think when they've been paying $10/week out of their checks to the company to help them out, and STILL the company goes into bankruptcy??

    But that's neither here nor there. I think the union made a poor decision and foisted that on the employees. What sense does it make to just walk away without a job around the holidays when one could simply accept the contract (the alternative being NO JOB) and then find a NEW and BETTER job at their leisure after the first of the year? It makes absolutely no business sense at all.

    If today's negotiations weren't productive (which it doesn't sound like they were), these people are on the street. The odds of many of them getting new jobs until January are slim to none, in my opinion. Companies just aren't hiring this time of year for anything other than part-time holiday stuff.
    At 18 bucks an hour minus a pension I don't think it would have been a great Christmas anyways. And that is assuming the pay check clears from a bankrupt company.

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    Re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Eh, then that's fine. If they have a mutual agreement and don't mind good for them.

    Why would Bimbo mind since they can make a buck at the gig.

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    Re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Why would Bimbo mind since they can make a buck at the gig.
    Which is fine, if they have a good working relationship. My problem is that there are unions that will screw their members over and the employers for an extra dime a paycheck, many times so that they can increase dues. I do not like the idea of employees strongarming employers, to the point that if I get a manufacturing company started that I've been planning for about four years now, I'd kill the business before allowing the people I pay to take control of my practices, and I believe in treating employees with the utmost respect.
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    Re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Which is fine, if they have a good working relationship. My problem is that there are unions that will screw their members over and the employers for an extra dime a paycheck, many times so that they can increase dues. I do not like the idea of employees strongarming employers, to the point that if I get a manufacturing company started that I've been planning for about four years now, I'd kill the business before allowing the people I pay to take control of my practices, and I believe in treating employees with the utmost respect.
    Bimbo has done a good job at this so far and pay slightly above the average. I'd look at their model.

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    Re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Bimbo has done a good job at this so far and pay slightly above the average. I'd look at their model.
    Not for my business, if Bimbo chooses to operate under a union system it's their choice. If my employees decided they deserve to call the shots I'll close shop, my risk, my rules.
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    Re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Not for my business, if Bimbo chooses to operate under a union system it's their choice. If my employees decided they deserve to call the shots I'll close shop, my risk, my rules.
    Well I hope you the best.

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    Re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well I hope you the best.
    Much appreciated, it's a back burner thing right now but it's in musical instruments and I've to this point busted my ass trying to get something going.
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    Re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Much appreciated, it's a back burner thing right now but it's in musical instruments and I've to this point busted my ass trying to get something going.
    Dude that seems like it would be a really tough gig.

    I'm in the art gig myself.

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    Re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Dude that seems like it would be a really tough gig.

    I'm in the art gig myself.
    Yup, huge risk. The established companies have a name and great product, I've got to hope that my ideas are superior and can sell. Art is riskier I would say, the audience must accept it, it's not always about the talent(though I've seen your photos and it's there) but what reaches someone and when.
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    Re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Much appreciated, it's a back burner thing right now but it's in musical instruments and I've to this point busted my ass trying to get something going.
    No you haven't. Poor people who don't pay taxes but somehow nonetheless are responsible for the road your house is on and whom you therefore owe your business have.

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