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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Your opinion; what's the take-away if the union now capitulates?
    Beats me.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I just read 11/19 @ 4:37 p.m. that Judge Drain ordered mediation between Hostess and the Baker's Union. Apparently the fat lady is in the wings waiting to sing, or not.
    Ordered?


    ...
    During the hearing, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Drain urged the parties to come to an agreement through mediation rather than through a public, and costly, hearing. The court called a short recess while the lawyer for the baker's union phoned his client to see if the union would agree to a mediation process tomorrow.
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    Twinkie's last stand: It's up to a mediator - Life Inc.




    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Apparently a Mexican bread company may buy twinkies

    So they may now become a foreign import

    lol
    It's the same company that bought out Mrs. Baird's bread in Fort Worth, which had been a strong local business, a few years ago. Apparently, it's a pretty substantial business.
    I read that it was something the attempted previously unless they are the same as the following which I doubt.


    Hurst Capital, LLLP Announces Intent to Acquire Assets of Hostess Brands Inc.

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    Hurst Capital, LLLP today filed a letter of intent to acquire the assets of Hostess Brands Inc. with the United States Bankruptcy Court in the Southern District of New York. Hostess Brands, the bankrupt baker of iconic consumer brands including Twinkies, Ding Dongs, Ho Hos and Wonder bread, had been in business for 82 years and filed a motion on November 16, 2012 seeking permission to close its business and sell its assets.

    Hurst Capitalís letter of intent details their multimillion dollar offer to acquire all the assets of Hostess Brands, including property, cash, cash equivalents, intellectual property, brands, websites, URLís, furniture, fixtures, equipment, signage, supplies, small wares, contracts, licenses, permits, computer software and hardware, telephone numbers, leases, franchise agreements and vehicles.
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    Hurst Capital, LLLP Announces Intent to Acquire Assets of Hostess Brands Inc. - KWES NewsWest 9 / Midland, Odessa, Big Spring, TX: newswest9.com |




    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This right here are why unions are necessary. This is the same mentality company owners had before unions and still hold today. Is a ****ty paying job better than no job at all? Well depends. If I had 3 extra mouths to feed, then the options are somewhat like having the option of getting your head cut off by a lawnmower or a guillotine.
    Just look at the hyperbole!

    No it isn't why Unions are necessary.
    $18.00 an hour may not be the "big bucks", but it is not ****ty pay, especially for making snack cakes.
    Which is exactly why your post is hyperbolic.




    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They had a huge facility in Fort Worth as well- right off I-30 after passing through the mixmaster- I distinctly remember the smell.
    The one in Dallas was at Central and Mockingbird. Use to go to the factory store as a kid with my mom. Took tours of the factory as a grade school kid.

    Wasn't that smell GREAT!

    You can obtain pretty much the same smell by baking your own bread.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    What you in fact did, and are now running away from, is launching a broad stereotyping of Union opposition in an attempt to assert something you can then plausibly deny by adding the word "some". We call that a big ole strawman. If you want to call someone out with your little tirades, be specific about WHO you mean or keep your mouth shut about disparaging assertions.

    Secondly



    Next time you call me out publicly for a personal attack, you better hit the triangle or I will---Im tired of your baiting/trolling/DBAJ behavior. I will not be accused of breaking the rules by you with impunity over and over, take it to a mod or get over it. This is the last time Ill deal with your terrible behavior and narrow excuses to try to wiggle out of the consequences.
    First, I will post anything I want to post about keeping in the rules of this board. That is what I have done and that is what I will continue to do.

    Second, I have not baited you in any way shape or form. What I have done is shined the spotlight upon you engaged in repeated personal attacks upon me. It is not my power to decide if those rise to the level of something that merits and infraction. I simply make the observation of what you present here.

    Third, your own words in that post clearly show that I never violated any rule and that is what upsets you. You express anger that I was overly broad. You express frustration that I did not name individuals. You claim that this was the use of the strawman fallacy. Those were your criticisms of my post and NONE of those are any rule violations. NONE OF THEM.

    Fourth, you have not decided to actually engage in debate concerning the post I made that you find so objectionable. Nothing I said in it has been challenged with any evidence showing any of it was not true. Why are you spending so much time attacking me and ignoring the actual substance of the debate issue?

    What seems to have angered you is my objection to being attacked for my post and defending myself here. You cannot find any violations in my post so you repeatedly keep posting and keep attacking me attempting to find fault where there was none.


    your #446


    Your sad little tirade is quite typical of you, so full of fury and so lacking in substance. Its borderline baiting with the stereotyping and the trained animal reference. Your mistake is thinking you are being rational, you are rationalizing your behavior and can't find the difference.
    Those remarks are clearly personal attacks.

    your #457

    Dont launch broadside personal attacks against union critics then whine when you are called irrational.

    This passive agressive crap you keep playing is really getting old.
    I never made a personal attack in the first place. Your attempt to falsely characterize as such and then use it as a springboard to attack me personally was exposed.

    and you recognized this in #467 and then doubled down on it with more attacks

    Dont post highly irrational diatribes stereotyping those politically opposite you and I wont call your posts irrational, hate filled diatribes. You want to debate, fine, debate. Launching stereotype broadsides across a bunch of people then pissing and moaning when you get called on it is not a personal attack---its calling you out for ****ty, whiny, hypocritical behavior.

    Someone needs to start calling you out for this passive agressive whinefest you keep playing.

    Before you cry your little head off about a personal attack, go back and examine everything I said--I am attacking your behavior and posting habits. YOU can end the criticism by being a better poster---stop doing stupid **** and Ill stop calling you out for it.
    For some reason you continue to do the very things you chastise me about. You accuse me of violating the rules here but somehow someway you feel that you are empowered to be the self appointed vigilante to keep 'calling me out' as you put it. You keep telling me to hit the triangle and file a report if I believe the rules are violated but your tactic has been the opposite. Your tactic is to publicly wage a war against me and keep attacking me in post after post but pretend that you are NOT doing just that.

    You insist that you are not making this personal or are not attacking me personally but a review of just these posts show the opposite.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First, I will post anything I want to post about keeping in the rules of this board. That is what I have done and that is what I will continue to do.

    Second, I have not baited you in any way shape or form. What I have done is shined the spotlight upon you engaged in repeated personal attacks upon me. It is not my power to decide if those rise to the level of something that merits and infraction. I simply make the observation of what you present here.

    Third, your own words in that post clearly show that I never violated any rule and that is what upsets you. You express anger that I was overly broad. You express frustration that I did not name individuals. You claim that this was the use of the strawman fallacy. Those were your criticisms of my post and NONE of those are any rule violations. NONE OF THEM.

    Fourth, you have not decided to actually engage in debate concerning the post I made that you find so objectionable. Nothing I said in it has been challenged with any evidence showing any of it was not true. Why are you spending so much time attacking me and ignoring the actual substance of the debate issue?

    What seems to have angered you is my objection to being attacked for my post and defending myself here. You cannot find any violations in my post so you repeatedly keep posting and keep attacking me attempting to find fault where there was none.


    your #446




    Those remarks are clearly personal attacks.

    your #457



    I never made a personal attack in the first place. Your attempt to falsely characterize as such and then use it as a springboard to attack me personally was exposed.

    and you recognized this in #467 and then doubled down on it with more attacks



    For some reason you continue to do the very things you chastise me about. You accuse me of violating the rules here but somehow someway you feel that you are empowered to be the self appointed vigilante to keep 'calling me out' as you put it. You keep telling me to hit the triangle and file a report if I believe the rules are violated but your tactic has been the opposite. Your tactic is to publicly wage a war against me and keep attacking me in post after post but pretend that you are NOT doing just that.

    You insist that you are not making this personal or are not attacking me personally but a review of just these posts show the opposite.
    Your post has been reported. I dont bluff Hay. I expect they may infract both of us, but thats ok, I want to know concretely where I stand on both your behavior and my posts.


    As far as the thread goes, looks like they are under a mediation to try to get a resolution that keeps the company whole. Cross your fingers, being out of a job at this time of year is rough for anyone.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Freihofer is buying Hostess. Or at least, they are trying to.

    Nature abhors a vacuum.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Your post has been reported. I dont bluff Hay. I expect they may infract both of us, but thats ok, I want to know concretely where I stand on both your behavior and my posts.


    As far as the thread goes, looks like they are under a mediation to try to get a resolution that keeps the company whole. Cross your fingers, being out of a job at this time of year is rough for anyone.
    Well if you get a detailed explanation as to where you stand on your posts and your behavior please let me know about it.

    The latest developments in this story simply show that some people badly jumped the gun in a hasty attempt to make the usual knee jerk ideologically based responses.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Looks like the fat lady hasn't quite sung on this one. The bankruptcy judge just ordered management and the union to go to mediation for one lest effort to avoid liquidation.
    And what do you think will happen? The union gets more money, that Hostess does not have?
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Your opinion; what's the take-away if the union now capitulates?
    Obama will have created 18,000 jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that cart-pushers do create jobs . . . in 15 or 20 years.
    People who were cart pushers 15 or 20 years ago would be in charge now, if we had stuck to the American Way. The epitaph on the tombstone of our economy will be "To Get a Good Job, Get a Good Education." Among the many things wrong with that slogan, notice that it doesn't say, "To Do a Good Job..."
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    And what do you think will happen? The union gets more money, that Hostess does not have?
    One thing that won't happen is that the union will get money. OTOH, the employees may get some kind of additional concession, or perhaps they will reconsider original offer, or perhaps nothing will come of it and the company will be sold off in chunks. We shall see.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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