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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    greedy/incompetent CEOs + greedy/corrupt union bosses + workers with a GED expecting to make $25/hr ( for doing a job a chimpanzee with a screwdriver could do) = companies going tits up
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's the same company that bought out Mrs. Baird's bread in Fort Worth, which had been a strong local business, a few years ago. Apparently, it's a pretty substantial business.
    You are talking about BIMBO bakers and they have bought out so many American companies that they are now America's largest bread maker. They own Arnold too.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Looks like the fat lady hasn't quite sung on this one. The bankruptcy judge just ordered management and the union to go to mediation for one lest effort to avoid liquidation.
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    Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Business majors are inferior in intelligence. Glorifying such no-talent brown-noses with their generic degrees has filled them with the megalomania in which any simple-minded tactic is justified as long as it makes more money than doing it the honest way, which these low-IQ scum are incapable of. Putting inferior people in superior positions has forced them to get by the only way such ambitious imbeciles can. People as stupid as they aredo have to outsource to sweatshops; it's not just greed, it's incompetence. They are anti-American because they didn't get their jobs the old American Way, starting from the bottom and working their way up. Instead, they start out in management after spending four years in college learning nothing relevant to their job, and especially nothing that would make them more informed than someone who had worked at the company those four years. Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School was right on the money about how real businessmen doing it the American Way made money.
    That's certainly a pretty big chip you are carrying around.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Looks like the fat lady hasn't quite sung on this one. The bankruptcy judge just ordered management and the union to go to mediation for one lest effort to avoid liquidation.
    Your opinion; what's the take-away if the union now capitulates?
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    AS FACTS COME OUT- THIS IS THE REAL STORY


    The past CEO making $2 million equaled a nickel an hour per employee, and the next CEOs worked for $1.00.

    However, the $2 per hour the Baker's Union employees (less than 1/3rd the total of employees) were striking for works out to $78,000,000.00. For a company already $680 million in debt.

    The Baker's Union president said "No! Hell No! AND I WON'T ALLOW MY UNION MEMBERS TO VOTE ON IT EITHER! This is MY personal decision to make for them!"

    The Baker's union boss did NOT bring it to a vote, claiming the employees already voted on a previous offer to strike, so refused to allow the 5,000 Baker's Union members to vote - costing all 18,000 employees their jobs - this condemned by the Teamsters and the total 13,000 other employees. Less than 1/3rd of the employees shut the company down - and that 1/3rd didn't even get to vote either. This was decided singularly the Union president of a union that represented less than 1/3rd of the employees.

    Is it just possible the Baker's union feared that when the employees became major stockholders - and now has their own personal interests in company profits - they would have told the Baker's Union "go to hell!" and dumped that union? Maybe the Baker's union quarter million dollar boss WANT Hostess destroyed to prevent a trend starting that employees start also becoming owners/stockholders concerned more about company profits rather than union dues - for which the Baker's union boss goes to Washington DC to rub shoulders with the politicians and power brokers as one for the rich fat cats himself. I bet the union president's drinking buddies aren't working folk.

    Or maybe the Baker's Union president feared his 5,000 union members would dump his union and join the Teamsters real union instead? That may have been the only way the Baker's Union president could stop his members en mass fleeing his union to instead be Teamsters.



    This was NOT a strike voted for - ever - by over 2/3rds of employees (13,000 of the 18,000 are not in Baker's union.) The Teamsters voted to accept it the contract - and 25% company ownership for their members in that package. Even the 5000 Baker's Union members were not allowed to vote on the final contract offer by their f/cked up Baker's Union president. That decision was made singularly by one man - the President of the Bakers Union - representing (meaning total power over them) less than 1/3d of the employees - who also didn't get to vote on it.

    Hell, I know I'd rather wear a "TEAMSTERS" leather jacket than one that said "Bakers and Confectionary Makers." With Teamsters it should be black or brown. For Bakers and candy makers it should be white or pink. A pink leather jacket reading "Candy Maker" wouldn't match my personality. A worn black leather jacket with "TEAMSTER" in gold wings across the back would.

    Since the decision of the Teamster MEMBERS was opposite the Baker's union's president's personal decision, for that reason alone I agree with the Teamsters. They are a known, legitimate and sometimes kick-ass union.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    I guess right... I figured the President of the Baker's and Candymaker's Union would be a fat old white guy


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Here was the part of the post from Zalatix that I responded to



    Zalatix has just recently become a member here. The poster clearly expresses wonder and amazement that people in this thread still continue to push an anti-union message despite the information coming out that undercuts their position. What I did was to inform the poster of an existing and very real dynamic that exists here.

    You call this my own personal attack. It was not. I did not mention a single person by name or identify and specific persons. I dealt with the message rather than the messenger. Perhaps you saw this as a personal attack because you yourself recognized you as being part of what I described? if so, that is on you and not me.
    What you in fact did, and are now running away from, is launching a broad stereotyping of Union opposition in an attempt to assert something you can then plausibly deny by adding the word "some". We call that a big ole strawman. If you want to call someone out with your little tirades, be specific about WHO you mean or keep your mouth shut about disparaging assertions.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Business majors are inferior in intelligence. Glorifying such no-talent brown-noses with their generic degrees has filled them with the megalomania in which any simple-minded tactic is justified as long as it makes more money than doing it the honest way, which these low-IQ scum are incapable of. Putting inferior people in superior positions has forced them to get by the only way such ambitious imbeciles can. People as stupid as they aredo have to outsource to sweatshops; it's not just greed, it's incompetence. They are anti-American because they didn't get their jobs the old American Way, starting from the bottom and working their way up. Instead, they start out in management after spending four years in college learning nothing relevant to their job, and especially nothing that would make them more informed than someone who had worked at the company those four years. Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School was right on the money about how real businessmen doing it the American Way made money.
    Substitute Business Major for Liberal Arts/English/Music/Art major and does it have the same semantic content? Oh look it does, pretty much. What are doing with this post? Working out some anger and envy issues or what?

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I guess right... I figured the President of the Baker's and Candymaker's Union would be a fat old white guy

    So?

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