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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why is it all the Union? Do the executives not get paid?

    It's all part of the picture of what's going on. Do you think it's OK for them to have huge salaries and not take cuts but only asking for that from the Union? I'm not even saying that's happening, but it would help paint the full picture rather than just blaming the favorite right-wing bogeyman.
    This issue is cut and dry, and has nothing to do with executive pay. This is a simple choice between accepting a pay cut from a struggling company going through bankruptcy, and making an average of $18 an hour... Or forcing the company to close their doors, liquidate their assets, and all 18,000 employees lose their jobs permanently, and go on unemployment instead.

    What do you think is the right choice is here?

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Do you really want the courts to be making decisions for private businesses? The role of the court is to insure that the interests of both debtors and creditors are protected, not to pick winners and losers.
    In this case, what she is asking for most likely is for the government to not enforce the terms of a contract, but to change them for a "fairness" result.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    In this case, the unions may very well cost its memebers their jobs.
    Hooray union!
    The union will do so in defense of 1.) the national contract wages and 2.) to preserve union dues. The evolution is a radical downgrading of pay for employees for which the union becomes a sweetheart deal union to maintain dues. A person only has to look at the packinghouse industry, all the companies that the union wiped out, and now the industry transformed into running off huge facilities in Iowa and Missouri using mostly illegal employees receiving lower than minimum wage - but union dues also taken out. The role of the union then is to keep the people down and try to block deportations.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Max weekly unemployment pay out in Oklahoma is $358/week, or $8.95/hr on a 40 hour week.
    Max weekly unemployment pay out in Texas is $415/week, or $10.38/hr on a 40 hour week.

    What the hell are they thinking? They're willing to sacrifice an average of $9.60-$11 an hour in order to avoid losing an average of $2?!

    (Source for unemployment pay outs here: Unemployment Benefits Comparison by State
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Why is it always about what the other guy makes, rather than what you make?

    My mother always taught me that what other people have is none of my business, and to just worry about myself.
    One for you, one for me.

    One for you, two for me.

    One for you, one two three for me.

    Etc.etc.etc.

    If it doesn't matter, why do we have an immigration problem.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well exactly. Why shouldn't they be asked to sacrifice something for their past mismanagement? Instead this thread goes where almost every union related thread goes...."But but... JOB CREATORS! Unions are overpaid greedy cretins who just want to take all of the money!"
    Because it's absurd.
    Unions are always out for their own pay, benefits, and job quality of life and security. Apparently these guys aren't as interested about job security, more power to them. If they lose their job, they will have no one but themselve to blame. Descructive, and inefficient, but then it's a free country, knock yourselves out. If it happens all over and becomes a real economic issue for the naton, I'd expect that we'd put some regulations in place to keep unions from being overly/routinely descructive to the economy. Otherwise, as MaggieD points out, it's really up to each business in how it deals with mass hysteria.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Max weekly unemployment pay out in Oklahoma is $358/week, or $8.95/hr on a 40 hour week.
    Max weekly unemployment pay out in Texas is $415/week, or $10.38/hr on a 40 hour week.

    What the hell are they thinking? They're willing to sacrifice an average of $9.60-$11 an hour in order to avoid losing an average of $2?!

    (Source for unemployment pay outs here: Unemployment Benefits Comparison by State
    If a person can make $11 an hour doing nothing, why work? I mean, an hourly employee would have to be a fool to get a job that pays no more or even less than they can make watching TV, playing video games and messing around on the Internet - plus of course bitching about why doesn't he/she get more unemployment money, cursing those damn greedy Republicans and evil rich people.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This issue is cut and dry, and has nothing to do with executive pay. This is a simple choice between accepting a pay cut from a struggling company going through bankruptcy, and making an average of $18 an hour... Or forcing the company to close their doors, liquidate their assets, and all 18,000 employees lose their jobs permanently, and go on unemployment instead.

    What do you think is the right choice is here?
    Does the company hold any loyalty to the workers? Then why should the converse be true? There was a time when companies DID look out for their employees, but now it's about how much of the pie they can get. And then you complain because the workers decide to say "screw it, they won't look after us so we won't look after them!", and they try to get as much of the pie as possible. Of course it's a silly system that can only end in breaking; but that's what happens when neither side has any loyalty to the other.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    It would be a good buy for Nestle that already has an extensive distribution network. While Coke is mainly beverage, you never know they may be willing to diversify their holdings. Pretty much anyone in food/beverage should take a look. They were dragged down by old debt and unions, not the lack of a market.
    Companies like Nestle and Coke would undoubtedly have taken an interest in the brand name a few decades ago but, as Luther points out, there is a very real possibility that snack foods like that could be banned in the near future. There is just no real sense in spending the millions required to produce these snacks if the shelf life may only be a few years.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    It seems like a win-win. Not sure what everyone is upset about. Hostess says it must cut costs due to a bankruptcy agreement and will in no uncertain terms shut down if the strike continues. Unions declare they refuse to work for the salaries offered. Shut it down. Win win. The world will live without Twinkies.

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