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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Are you referring to the Bakers Union that rejected the deal or the Teamsters that accepted it and crossed the picket lines?
    My comments were about the rabid anti-union spewings that gushed forth as they normally do.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How you should have responded to what exactly?

    Perhaps finding out enough facts to make an intelligent post which was more than just knee jerk ideological reflex movement would have been a good start.
    At the least, the union should have recommended accepting the deal for the good of the workers...perhaps telling them that it was the best they could expect and have a job through Christmas. The union didn't make that recommendation, or the bakers would have accepted the offer.

    My guess is that the union was thinking about all the others in their union and drawing a line in the sand. Yep. That's working in the best interests of the guys at Hostess.

    You know that, Haymarket. This strike was not in the best interests of the very employees who were paying their dues...
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    At the least, the union should have recommended accepting the deal for the good of the workers...perhaps telling them that it was the best they could expect and have a job through Christmas. The union didn't make that recommendation, or the bakers would have accepted the offer.

    My guess is that the union was thinking about all the others in their union and drawing a line in the sand. Yep. That's working in the best interests of the guys at Hostess.

    You know that, Haymarket. This strike was not in the best interests of the very employees who were paying their dues...
    You have already pointed out in your own posts how the company was engaged in nefarious doings regarding the pension accounts.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have already pointed out in your own posts how the company was engaged in nefarious doings regarding the pension accounts.
    Yes. You're right. I'm flattered that you read them. But. Much easier to get a job while one in still working. That's my point. They gave it all up. (I think -- one never knows...the bankruptcy court may have other things in mind.)

    (People should go to jail for not making those pension contributions. It's one thing to not be able to make the conpany's side. Quite another to steal from employees.) There is different management in place, however.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes. You're right. I'm flattered that you read them. But. Much easier to get a job while one in still working. That's my point. They gave it all up. (I think -- one never knows...the bankruptcy court may have other things in mind.)

    (People should go to jail for not making those pension contributions. It's one thing to not be able to make the conpany's side. Quite another to steal from employees.) There is different management in place, however.
    Of course I read your posts. Yours are always worth reading - even when I disagree with them.

    And let us not forget the bonuses for executives while workers are asked to take cuts in salary, benefits and pension payouts that they had already legally earned.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are new here. Allow me to illuminate the darkness for you: Pavlov's bell has rung and the creatures of the right which hate unions as a matter of knee jerk reflex have salivated and attacked as a matter of course. The details do not matter. the facts do not matter. Reality does not matter.

    The only thing that matters is that is is a chance for the warriors of the right to bash unions.

    In a week or two or three it will be something else that fuels the rabid anti-union fires. The people defending Hostess here do NOT give a damn about the company, their employees or their products. It is merely an excuse to continue their war on unions.
    The Union crossed the line between bargaining in good faith and seeking advantage. No more, no less. Management told them, this is what we propose and if this doesnt work, we liquidate. They thought they had bargaining space---turns out management was bargaining in good faith and were honest in their appraisal of what they could afford and the union decided to squeeze harder. So everyone lost.

    Your sad little tirade is quite typical of you, so full of fury and so lacking in substance. Its borderline baiting with the stereotyping and the trained animal reference. Your mistake is thinking you are being rational, you are rationalizing your behavior and can't find the difference.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    A corporation isn't a charity. Its about money.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A corporation isn't a charity. Its about money.
    Except for those commie non-profit jobiies

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How you should have responded to what exactly?
    Start with the title of the thread…

    Perhaps finding out enough facts to make an intelligent post which was more than just knee jerk ideological reflex movement would have been a good start.
    Why? You don't...
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course I read your posts. Yours are always worth reading - even when I disagree with them.

    And let us not forget the bonuses for executives while workers are asked to take cuts in salary, benefits and pension payouts that they had already legally earned.
    Oh, I'm not saying management didn't do totally unethical things. But for the union to recommend that their members strike the company out of business (if that is, in fact, what happens....and they aren't given another opportunity to change their minds), I just don't think that was the right advice. Do you?

    It's my understanding they'd seen the books. They knew the bankruptcy judge had agreed with the imposition of an altered contract. They'd been offered the same as the Teamster's -- a 25% interest in the company -- and, if I recall, the company was willing to sign a promissary note for $X millions.

    I really don't think the union acted in the best interests of those members. If they should get another chance (which, I think, could happen), and they turn it down -- no sympathy from me. But I think the union convinced them the company was bluffing. And I don't think that was in their best interests at all.
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