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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And this is why unions exist. So that those who have money and power cannot exercise that power over everyone else with impunity.
    In this case, the unions may very well cost its memebers their jobs.
    Hooray union!

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Except that nobody's saying that. In fact, we seem to have the opposite going on here.
    Perhaps in an alternate universe. "Those evil corporate types should suffer, not the union member!"
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    But market analyst believe there will be several people interested in buying their brands. I don't care who makes them, just as long as their goodness returns to the marketplace. The employees get what they deserve trying to hold an already bankrupt company Hostage.
    Hmm...our employer seems to be going bankrupt.

    Want to go on strike?

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Frankly, I think the bankruptcy court should have handled this. It seems to me they could impose that 8% cut (or whatever) on everyone within the company, not just union employees (less than half are hourly workers and not all of them are union). If a bankruptcy court is supposed to help a company either stay in business or fold, why shouldn't they just be able to impose these wage changes? It would make sense to me...

    I blame the company for giving in to union demands in the past that got them into the mess they're in. Nobody held a gun to their heads to give away the store.
    Well exactly. Why shouldn't they be asked to sacrifice something for their past mismanagement?

    Instead this thread goes where almost every union related thread goes...."But but... JOB CREATORS! Unions are overpaid greedy cretins who just want to take all of the money!"


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And this is why unions exist. So that those who have money and power cannot exercise that power over everyone else with impunity.
    I thought it was so people like me can go without heat and electricity during a snow storm while those union employees block non-union, out of state employees from helping out when asked.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Frankly, I think the bankruptcy court should have handled this. It seems to me they could impose that 8% cut (or whatever) on everyone within the company, not just union employees (less than half are hourly workers and not all of them are union). If a bankruptcy court is supposed to help a company either stay in business or fold, why shouldn't they just be able to impose these wage changes? It would make sense to me...

    I blame the company for giving in to union demands in the past that got them into the mess they're in. Nobody held a gun to their heads to give away the store.
    Do you really want the courts to be making decisions for private businesses? The role of the court is to insure that the interests of both debtors and creditors are protected, not to pick winners and losers.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Unions are overpaid greedy cretins who just want to take all of the money!
    That's going to find it's way into somebody's signature.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    In this case, the unions may very well cost its memebers their jobs.
    Hooray union!
    I personally love watching self pwnage.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It would make a whole lot of sense to me if the executives were taking the same pay cuts they were giving to their employees. If the executives don't like it? Let them find other jobs. Seems to me that's a sense of fairness that just makes sense.

    And yet we have THIS:





    Creditors Question Pay Raises at Hostess Ahead of Bankruptcy Filing - WSJ.com

    then-chief executive Brian Driscoll's salary from to $2.55 million from around $750,000.
    $750,000 is just not enough to run it into the ground...


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Notice the Democrats cheering the prospect of that company - already in bankruptcy meaning they are overwhelmed with debt or the the bankruptcy would be dismissed - closing down. They WANT it to go out of business because it is a business. They don't give a damn about the 18,000 employees either.

    Everyone can die for a platitude in their opinion, some abstract platitude about the "union" having no clue nor caring what the actually issues are. Nor any clue that 1.) if liquidated the company may not come back and 2.) if it bought by another outfit, it won't be union, the union contract dead, all pensions gone, and the new owners would not take those employees back.

    But Democrats on this thread don't care about any of that. They want the company destroyed because they want all companies destroyed. That's the bottomline to it. Doesn't matter if it is a rich company, a poor company or a financially broke company like Hostress. Mention a company, any company, and they start chanting "! DIE! DIE!"

    And since their team is in power, those companies are dying.

    The super rich? Those they ultra support however.

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