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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I understand where you're coming from and don't necessarily think that you're wrong but i the larger view it is the free will of the employees to join a public union and the free will of the union to represent those employees in whichever way they see fit....even if it means doing so in a manner which utterly destroys all parties involved.
    Not true, many states are closed shop, meaning that if you want to work, you join the union and pay their dues. Government forces employees to accept unions. Government forces employers to accept unions, even when an employees chooses to build in a right to work state, unions sue and win on the basis that is it union busting, which is is and should be. Even after a plant has been approved and built. Think Boeing in SC.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I understand where you're coming from and don't necessarily think that you're wrong but i the larger view it is the free will of the employees to join a public union and the free will of the union to represent those employees in whichever way they see fit....even if it means doing so in a manner which utterly destroys all parties involved.
    One of my relatives is a member of a union not because he wants to be but because the cars of the people who aren't in the union often get damaged while their owners are more often the victims of workplace accidents.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Not true, many states are closed shop, meaning that if you want to work, you join the union and pay their dues. Government forces employees to accept unions. Government forces employers to accept unions, even when an employees chooses to build in a right to work state, unions sue and win on the basis that is it union busting, which is is and should be. Even after a plant has been approved and built. Think Boeing in SC.
    I may be mistaken on this but it's my understanding that Taft-Hartley prohibited closed shops and union shops. I believe that an employee need not join a union as a requirement for that employment but that they may be required to pay the equivalent of union dues because he/she will reap the benefits of any union negotiated benefits.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    One of my relatives is a member of a union not because he wants to be but because the cars of the people who aren't in the union often get damaged while their owners are more often the victims of workplace accidents.
    I TOTALLY believe that could and does happen.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    What do the fatcat shareholders get? Probably still getting their fat dividends and paying a tax rate lower than income tax rates.

    Those fatcat shareholders are seeing the value of their risk capital drop to zero. Just like the value of the union jobs.

    The stock has been delisted, which means no value. Everybody wins, even the government which now has another 18,500 unemployed.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I may be mistaken on this but it's my understanding that Taft-Hartley prohibited closed shops and union shops. I believe that an employee need not join a union as a requirement for that employment but that they may be required to pay the equivalent of union dues because he/she will reap the benefits of any union negotiated benefits.
    You could be right, but either way, the union has the negotiating power exclusively. Same result.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Those fatcat shareholders are seeing the value of their risk capital drop to zero. Just like the value of the union jobs.

    The stock has been delisted, which means no value. Everybody wins, even the government which now has another 18,500 unemployed.
    Actually shareholders get ****ed the most.
    The union members still have part of their pension guaranteed by us, can still get medical care while being laid off, get unemployment benefits, etc.

    The private equity holders get, whatever is left over after debt holders are paid, which is pennies on the dollar, if anything at all.
    It's pretty crazy that a 1/3 of the employees can essentially rob, the rest of the people involved in this business.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It'd be interesting to see how this unfolds. There should come a point where a business simply can't survive by giving into a union's demands.
    That is correct. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that the taxpayers can't be put on the hook for said unions' demands.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Why is it always about what the other guy makes, rather than what you make? My mother always taught me that what other people have is none of my business, and to just worry about myself.
    In all fairness, you did start a thread in criticism of "that other guy" and his efforts to secure a higher wage for himself.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I TOTALLY believe that could and does happen.
    naturally. the organization is founded on the notion of coercion.

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