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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    However you look at it, management is to blame for driving the company into a ditch such that it felt it needed to slash payroll to carry on.
    You mean previous management is to blame because they accepted union contracts that paid too much and had too high of a cost of benefits to be sustainable, right?
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Further, Texas is a Right to Work State
    Then why are they having trouble with Unions? I thought the whole point of the "right to work" was to put unions out of business.


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Hostess is in CH 11 right now and these cuts are part of that agreement. If they don't get these cuts then they can't complete the reorganization which only leaves the option of liquidation. The union is cutting off their nose despite their face but, frankly, it's the free market at work and I'm all for letting them reap the results of what they have sown.
    It is not the free market at work. In a free market those workers who have the common sense to take a pay cut to keep their job afloat would have the right to do so, and those who elected to strike would be forced to make a decision. Many of the unions, including the Teamsters, have seen the handwriting on the wall and chosen to work to save their jobs, and those who struck would have been replaced with some of the out of work 20 million. Less than 10% of the workers brought this situation into play.

    Admit it or not, union labor is the last remaining monopoly, and like all monopolies, will fall under its own weight unless the results are legislated. Then all suffer.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You mean previous management is to blame because they accepted union contracts that paid too much and had too high of a cost of benefits to be sustainable, right?
    That could be the case, sure.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That could be the case, sure.
    A partisan that refuses to blame an establishment (the union) for their part in any of it. Go figure.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    No, I'm saying a bullet to the head isn't what killed an animal that had already been run over by a bus. The immediate cause of death, perhaps. But anything at that point was just forestalling the inevitable.
    You don't know that Hostess's demise was inevitable; apparently that's just what you'd prefer to think. What's not in doubt is that the strike dealt the death blow.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    However you look at it, management is to blame for driving the company into a ditch such that it felt it needed to slash payroll to carry on.
    And again. We are talking about the here and now. This current management is not to blame, but the Union and it's members are.

    You want to have a discussion about previous management then you better get the facts as to why they were not able to function within the market.
    Paying $20 an hour to make Twinkies, is part of that reason. But it is a whole other topic and at this point, not pertinent to the actual decision made by the Union.



    A business when faced with such absurdity from a Union should be able to sever all Union ties and start new. After all, the business does not belong to the Union or it's members.
    The business should have been able to just fire everyone in that Union, and start fresh.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    It is not the free market at work. In a free market those workers who have the common sense to take a pay cut to keep their job afloat would have the right to do so, and those who elected to strike would be forced to make a decision. Many of the unions, including the Teamsters, have seen the handwriting on the wall and chosen to work to save their jobs, and those who struck would have been replaced with some of the out of work 20 million. Less than 10% of the workers brought this situation into play.

    Admit it or not, union labor is the last remaining monopoly, and like all monopolies, will fall under its own weight unless the results are legislated. Then all suffer.
    I understand where you're coming from and don't necessarily think that you're wrong but i the larger view it is the free will of the employees to join a public union and the free will of the union to represent those employees in whichever way they see fit....even if it means doing so in a manner which utterly destroys all parties involved.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You don't know that Hostess's demise was inevitable; apparently that's just what you'd prefer to think. What's not in doubt is that the strike dealt the death blow.
    And was done so purposely!

    They should be able to sue the Union for it's actions in doing it purposely.

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    Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends

    What do the fatcat shareholders get? Probably still getting their fat dividends and paying a tax rate lower than income tax rates.
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