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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Very simply, if sales go down with a union contract you have limited means to control costs from labor. You cant make pay cuts, you cant make layoffs, you cant break the contract...etc etc. A union that demands more in this environment isnt in it to provide job safety, they are there to create an us versus them mentality that eventually reaches past the profitability of the company.

    Losing market share, etc isnt on the Union, but for the Union to continue to demand more when it plainly is not there to be had is naked greed.
    The underlined could be considered part of what caused the loss of market share.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I don't dispute that the union probably screwed up. All I'm saying is that it wasn't their fault that the company found itself in the position of having to slash pay and benefits just to have a chance to go a few more years before possibly going bankrupt for a third time. They wouldn't have been in that position if management hadn't sucked donkey dicks for the last 10+ years.
    That's true but couldn't the same be generally said about GM?
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Tessa has this one nailed. Those who go against here just look foolish for supporting a loser union that cost more non-union members their jobs than union members.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Even the Teamsters think the Bakers union was being stupid and suicidal.

    Teamsters: Bakery Workers Should Hold Secret Ballot Vote at Hostess | International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)

    And, of course, it's a done deal -- Hostess is in liquidation.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Looks like its over for the Twinkie? I'd laugh if Bain came in and saved the Twinkie. Think Michelle obama will promote a govt bail out?

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Isn't amazing that when businesses fail it's always the workers' fault -- never management's fault for being ****ty at managing the company. The fact is that Interstate Bakeries (Hostess' parent company) has been failing for a long time due to its inability to adapt to a changing marketplace. That's not to say that the union was right in digging in its heels, but let's not ignore management's share of the blame.

    A 2003 article pointing to IBC's management problem: Interstate Half Baked

    They went bankrupt in '04 and emerged as Hostess Brands, then nearly went bankrupt again last year, before finally failing this year.
    But all that is irrelevant. If the company is broke, its broke. If the employees sit home drawing generous unemployment and want to blame the management for their being unemployed they certainly can do so. All of management will be laid off too.

    Everyone makes excuses, but excuses are worthless. If the job isn't worth $18 per hour to them, then it isn't worth it regardless of the reason.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I don't dispute that the union probably screwed up. All I'm saying is that it wasn't their fault that the company found itself in the position of having to slash pay and benefits just to have a chance to go a few more years before possibly going bankrupt for a third time. They wouldn't have been in that position if management hadn't sucked donkey dicks for the last 10+ years.
    The same management that signed previous union contracts that were probably unhealthy for the profit margin of the business? Funny how that works.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    IMHO HHostess should have adapted to the changing environment. I mean Wonder Bread really seriously. Who eats that stuff anymore?

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    Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends

    At least the union didn't have to settle for that two dollar wage cut.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    IMHO HHostess should have adapted to the changing environment. I mean Wonder Bread really seriously. Who eats that stuff anymore?
    I do.

    Punish Hostess for marketing - that is exact what the employees should sacrifice their jobs for. That's the new purpose of strikes. To cause all employees to lose their jobs to punish management who then also lose their jobs for bad management decisions. The murder-suicide concept of justice.

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