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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I must have missed it...
    You missed it because it wasn't what you wanted to hear. The company hasn't folded yet, there's plenty of time for management to present a new contract to avoid failure.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    God, how thick can we lay on the partisan bull****?

    18,000 people are going to lose their jobs, but I guess it's OK since they're Democrats.
    The only one laying on the partisan bull**** is you.

    I said absolutely nothing about wanting to see 18,000 people lose their jobs.

    I would prefer it if everyone kept their job but that involves labor reading the writing on the wall and it says quite clearly that they are not worth the $18+/hour they're currently being offered. That's not because management is "greedy" either. This just isn't the 1950's where a high school education is all that is needed to guarantee a cushy union job doing some sort of menial labor. We're moving into a highly specialized economy and the market price for unskilled labor is basically nothing.

    Management is being very generous in offering $18+/hour for such unskilled work. Labor certainly isn't going to find that on the open market if they thick-headedly choose to strike their way into unemployment.
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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    The likely view of the union is that those employees should be sacrificed for the "national contract" price. If Hostess salaries goes down, then other companies will demand doing the same. So by throwing those employees overboard, maybe they can keep other employees wages higher. In unions, an employee is one of the herd. The good of the many outweight the good of the few - as the union sees. Not so good if you are one of the few.

    Because it is union, employees don't have individual choice. Rather, this is policy decisions being made at some the union HQ far away.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You missed it because it wasn't what you wanted to hear. The company hasn't folded yet, there's plenty of time for management to present a new contract to avoid failure.
    So instead of giving your opinion on the actual situation, you'd rather pretend that the situation is something that it's not, in order to avoid giving your opinion...

    Anyone who can't answer a simple question about their beliefs, must embrace some really flawed beliefs... Why else would they refuse to publicly express them?

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    So instead of giving your opinion on the actual situation, you'd rather pretend that the situation is something that it's not, in order to avoid giving your opinion...

    Anyone who can't answer a simple question about their beliefs, must embrace some really flawed beliefs... Why else would they refuse to publicly express them?
    I've given my answer to you clearly several times. I can't help it if English isn't your primary language.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I didn't say I was better at it. I'm just waiting for the "experts" to actually do it.
    It can't be done while half the country is venomously anti-business.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    It can't be done while half the country is venomously anti-business.
    And I'm the one with partisan BS?


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is best that both sides work towards a mutually acceptable solution. This isn't a one party thing. The aggressiveness of unions was in response to the aggressive nature of companies to take advantage of workers. And once the trust and loyalty between company and worker were lost, we escalated up to the "mutually ensured destruction" scenario we have now. It would be great if the unions would take the hit with the company making assurances and contract as to improving pay and hours back to their nominal levels when crisis is adverted; but when both sides are clamoring for the whole pie, this is what we get.
    There is nothing mutual about it.

    Management has an extremely useful and profitable skill set. Labor does not.

    Management will be employed in similar jobs with similar salaries within a few months. These laborers will almost certainly never again be offered what management is graciously offering them.

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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    There is nothing mutual about it.

    Management has an extremely useful and profitable skill set. Labor does not.

    Management will be employed in similar jobs with similar salaries within a few months. These laborers will almost certainly never again be offered what management is graciously offering them.
    OMFG! Are you the CEO of Hostess or something?


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    re: Hostess threatens to lay off 18,000 employees unless strike ends[W:521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donahue View Post
    There is nothing mutual about it.

    Management has an extremely useful and profitable skill set. Labor does not.

    Management will be employed in similar jobs with similar salaries within a few months. These laborers will almost certainly never again be offered what management is graciously offering them.
    Labor isn't free. A man owns the sweat of his brow. And I'm not sure your contention is correct. With a brand name like Hostess, someone will pick that up if it goes through bankruptcy and they will also need workers.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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