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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Really. Show what growth would have been w/o the tax hikes.
    I don't have access to a Magic 8 ball at the moment, but I make that statement due to the fact that we were comfortably residing at full employment with uninterrupted periods of healthy growth and innovation during said time period. As mentioned before, that's not to say that those tax rates are optimal in today's setting, but to insist that they were prohibitive would be quite a stretch.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    That is your plan

    There should be an upper limit to what an individual could earn in the US and ow many assists they control.

    Lets say $200,000 income limit and a 50 million assets limit per person.

    If a person finds these wealth limits too restrictive then perhaps they can leave the US and live somewhere else

    (And that is $200,000 per week, you would think that income level would satisfy even the most greedy and satanic of US plutocrats)
    Meet some of those approximately 34,500 folks, in the US alone, that exceed your limits and ask for their support:

    The Richest People in America - Forbes

    The Free Press -- Independent News Media from Columbus, Ohio
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    "Should"? Who are you to say what someone else is allowed to have?
    Please provide an objective argument for this limit - that is, one not based on your opinion and/or version of morality.
    Who are you to dictate that a massive proportion of society should live in poverty and lack basic human rights such as health care access, just because you wish to cater for the greed, decadence and waste of a tiny group of fascist Plutocrats - most of whom are criminals anyway

    If you dont wish to live in a society or community whereby certain values and morals are unheld, why dont you leave and live in Antartica or in the dessert BY YOURSELF?

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    I don't have access to a Magic 8 ball at the moment...
    So, you admit there's no concrete support for your statement. Thank you.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    Who are you to dictate....
    I'm sorry... we're discussing -your- subjective, moral position that -you- should be able to dictate what -you- think others should be allowed to have.
    Please answer the question, and please provide the objective argumenr I asked for.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    A poverty rate of 16%?which is much higher than that of China

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWu View Post
    A poverty rate of 16%?which is much higher than that of China
    Apples/oranges.
    If we defined poverty as they do - income of <$1.25/day = our povety rate would be ~0%.

    Poverty in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    So, you admit there's no concrete support for your statement. Thank you.
    LOL! You requested figures that are incalculable, comedic requests are likely to be met with comedic retorts. In the meantime, point out the figures within said time period that would indicate that tax rates were prohibitive in any way shape or form.


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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    LOL! You requested figures that are incalculable...
    Yes... and so your statement is based on your speculation, rather than anyting concrete.
    Arguments based on nothing but speculation - that is, arguments - such as yours - that have no concrete support - are not compelling and can be safely discarded.
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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Yes... and so your statement is based on your speculation, rather than anyting concrete. Arguments based on nothing but speculation - that is, arguments - such as yours - that have no concrete support, are not compelling and can be safely discarded.
    Not in reality, no. My statement is that Clinton era tax rates didn't inhibit growth during said time period, a conclusion easily drawn by a quick glance at some relevant figures from the time period. Your argument (I use the term loosely), is centered around requesting information that cannot possibly be derived without the aid of a ouija board or similar device, while simultaneously offering up absolutely nothing that would even hint that tax rates stymied growth in any conceivable manner. A pretty silly exercise if you ask me.

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