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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm not reading anything into anything.

    I said it wasn't meaningful in and of itself, nor was it a debate-ender; you insisted it was:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061157315

    Not for the first time, either.
    You're mistaken. And trying to skip the point by putting up a strawman.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're mistaken. And trying to skip the point by putting up a strawman.
    If it's a strawman, then it's your own words which make it one. You said what you said.
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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If it's a strawman, then it's your own words which make it one. You said what you said.
    I'm sorry but I never used those words. In fact in many posts I've noted other factors as well. And you have yet address the point. I'm willing to bet you never will.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Is any of it related to the global economic downturn thingy I have been hearing about for all these recent years?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't buy that. I just think that a larger % of Americans have decided it makes more sense to take a long vacation than to go out a get a job. (Sorry.)
    data are your friends

    People are looking harder now than they have in years.


    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sorry but I never used those words.


    Then you shouldn't have argued with me. But you did:

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ah, the infamous "gap between the rich and the poor," as though that in and of itself is meaningful, much less the debate-ender some seem to think it is.
    It actually is, and why there is some 47% not paying income taxes.
    So, it "actually is" what? In and of itself meaningful, or a debate-ender (in which case it would have to be in and of itself meaningful)?

    You say I'm "mistaken" and presenting a "strawman," so you tell me, big guy -- what "is" it?


    In fact in many posts I've noted other factors as well. And you have yet address the point. I'm willing to bet you never will.
    Address what "point"? The tax structure? I did that many posts ago. It's a red herring. Dude, look -- "uh-HUHH!!!" isn't an argument no matter how many times you try to make it one.
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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. A country with a weak middle class, with mostly haves and have nots, has more than a few problems.
    Nothing about a large gap between the poor and wealthy inherently denotes a weak middle class.

    Still waiting for you to addess the specific questions I asked about policies, etc.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So your "plan" to end poverty is to tax the top 400 people enough to pay for supporting the bottom 40,000,000? Who needs a job (or the education to get one) if the gov't will just give you the benefits of a job without all of that darned effort? USA, USA, USA...
    That is your plan

    There should be an upper limit to what an individual could earn in the US and ow many assists they control.

    Lets say $200,000 income limit and a 50 million assets limit per person.

    If a person finds these wealth limits too restrictive then perhaps they can leave the US and live somewhere else

    (And that is $200,000 per week, you would think that income level would satisfy even the most greedy and satanic of US plutocrats)

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Well, the tax rates at the time certainly didn't inhibit growth...
    Really. Show what growth would have been w/o the tax hikes.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    That is your plan
    There should be an upper limit to what an individual could earn in the US and ow many assists they control.
    "Should"? Who are you to say what someone else is allowed to have?
    Please provide an objective argument for this limit - that is, one not based on your opinion and/or version of morality.

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