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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    "Poverty" doesn't mean what it used to mean. To be impoverished for a family of 4, means less than $22,800.00.

    Although certainly not wealthy living, to be in "poverty" in the United States, is an income over 300% higher than the average income for nearly 80% of the countries of the world and three times the average income in the world - with that including calculating the wealthiest countries. Our "poor people" are on average 300% better off than over 75% of the people of the world.

    In addition, a person is to receive food stamps in that same family up to an income of $29,976.00.

    I would describe that as low income, not as being "impoverished." I don't see $1800 a month, plus food stamps, plus childcare assistance, and medicaid as being "impoverished." Low income yes, impoverished no.

    It also is notable that what the federal government defines as being in poverty in terms of benefits is HIGHER than the census counts as poverty by 130%.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    "Poverty" doesn't mean what it used to mean. To be impoverished for a family of 4, means less than $22,800.00.

    Although certainly not wealthy living, to be in "poverty" in the United States, is an income over 300% higher than the average income for nearly 80% of the countries of the world and three times the average income in the world - with that including calculating the wealthiest countries. Our "poor people" are on average 300% better off than over 75% of the people of the world.

    It also is notable that what the federal government defines as being in poverty in terms of benefits is HIGHER than the census counts as poverty by 130%.
    Actually, adjusted for inflation and cost of living changes over the years, the poverty level mimics the first thresholds released in '63 and '64.

    Comparing levels of wealth across national borders is quite meaningless. It serves only as a convenient method in which to minimize the plights of those at home and act as a diversionary tactic of sorts.

    The census is run by the Federal government, and acts as a mass stat shop, in order to form estimates of benefits doled out by the HHS and other bureaus. Their definitions of poverty are in fact, the exact same, the difference you speak of is the method HHS uses in order to calculate at what level above the poverty level one no longer remains eligible for federal assistance programs.

    2011 HHS Poverty Guidelines

    https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/pove...hld/index.html

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    and of course the banksters never seem to run out of money - and when they stuff up everything with their fascist corporate greed they run to the State for bail outs and subsidies

    Interesting how you demand market discipline and rational economics for the state and tax payers, but socialistic corporate welfare and artificial protectionism for the elite unaccountable unelectable Plutocratic fascists that enslave you into your cell of delusional freedom.

    Their propaganda is so effective and relentless that you cannot even see the chains that encircle your limbs.

    You may want to quote Goerge Orwell rather than the Iron Maiden

    (I also notice that you refuse to quote Maggie Thatcher's views on global warming - you are aware that Maggie held a Chemistry degree and warned the world as early as the late 1980s that human induced global warming effects are the biggest threat to human civilisation? I suppose you pick and choose what fascist remarks you wish to publicise - isnt that correct Mr Diogenes - a nick name that has ancient Hellenic integrity - why are you using it in public?)
    You seem to have some serious problems. I hope you seek help.
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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    One should never apologise for an obvious handicap
    That explains much...
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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    This is actually the fault of the unions.

    They have forced us to send American jobs to China as fast as we can.

    Blue collar Americans are overpaid.
    Total BS!

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    One should never apologise for an obvious handicap
    Now, normal people. when, like you, are faced with the fact that they have no objective argument to support their opinion of what should be, will display a modicum of intellectual honest and re-evaluate that opinion.
    You, on the other hand, retain your opinion of what should be regardless of that fact, and are apparently quite proud to illustrate to everyone that you have no such argument.
    Speaks volumes.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Actually, adjusted for inflation and cost of living changes over the years, the poverty level mimics the first thresholds released in '63 and '64.

    Comparing levels of wealth across national borders is quite meaningless. It serves only as a convenient method in which to minimize the plights of those at home and act as a diversionary tactic of sorts.

    The census is run by the Federal government, and acts as a mass stat shop, in order to form estimates of benefits doled out by the HHS and other bureaus. Their definitions of poverty are in fact, the exact same, the difference you speak of is the method HHS uses in order to calculate at what level above the poverty level one no longer remains eligible for federal assistance programs.

    2011 HHS Poverty Guidelines

    https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/pove...hld/index.html
    Doesn't matter, all economies are relative to their own inflation. Hell, you can live for a week on 10 dollars US in some nations.

    Besides, the US has regional economics..... 20k is a good salary for a family of 4 when you're living in a small town in the middle of no where, however it won't get you very far in a major US city or metro area...

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    You seem to have some serious problems. I hope you seek help.
    I do appreciate your utter delusionment at my comments.

    I cannot receive higher praise than to be insulted by a delusional supporter of the fascist US corpocracy

    It can only vindicate the simple truth that I have disseminated

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    I do appreciate your utter delusionment at my comments.

    I cannot receive higher praise than to be insulted by a delusional supporter of the fascist US corpocracy

    It can only vindicate the simple truth that I have disseminated
    You haven't disseminated squat, other than mindless, petulant opinions that you know you cannot back up with objective arguments.

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    Re: Census: U.S. Poverty Rate Spikes, Nearly 50 Million Americans Affected

    Breaking Down the Income Gap Into Real Terms - US News and World Report
    U.S. income gap between rich, poor hits new high - Los Angeles Times
    Rich-Poor Gap Widens to Most Since 1967 as Income Falls- Bloomberg

    Maybe having an everwidening income gap between middle and upper class America might not effect you, your family, or circle of friends immediately, but the time will come when it does hit a loved one. Here are a few articles that show why this gap is troublesome.

    For one thing the upper class used to generate its income off of middle class purchases and in turn employers offered reasonable monetary wages for a rebound. IOW money flowed in a circle and everyone was profiting. Even working class and working poor could pay rent on the most neager salary.

    Today, in a technology, information-based, and quickly changing economy, we have a need for college educated individuals to keep up. Employers are barely willing to train employees for the most basic of jobs, such as factory work. With more kids sinking into poverty, many from good families and afluent neighborhoods, their chances of graduating high school decrease and their chances/ability to go to college diminish also. And if you have never been through the piss poor public education system here, we learn up to 7th grade basics in comparison with other developed countries. Ya ever wonder why the girl at the gas station cant count back change?

    We have these poorly educated kids growing up with 2 working parents, a single parent, or relatives, so their family ties are weak or their emotional development could take a hit. They may also be exposed to the dangers of low income neighborhoods. Things like robberies, drugs, guns, gang violence, pack mentality etc... Depending on their age and state of mind you could be looking at the "well to do" Catherine become the next drug dealer, gang member, unwed teenage mother...

    Being hungry can lead to longterm health issues, as well as being unable to afford healthy or nutricious food, and thats compounded with subpar healthcare.

    Okay so we survive this generation of poverty. We just breeze on through, the rich sewing new holes in their overstuffed pockets. Then what? Even if the majority of Middle Class families survive their new incomes, lifestyles, and bounce back at the first sign of economic rebound, climb the corporate ladder again... We still have millions of recession built Catherines out there. Kids who are inadvertently raised to rebel, to act as masochists or victims,kids who couldnt cope to sudden changes and picks up drugs, has sex/teenage pregnancy, or surpasses the newly invoked statistics by succeeding.

    The number of people that cant pay 5xes because the CEOs, are taking bonuses while they take paycuts, develope bad credit because they're upsidedown on their mortgage and the banks have pocketed the stimuluses intended to help them. Kids are having meal after meal of rice, bread, pasta, and other filling but lacking vital nutrients foods, because hey, your rich man making well over what he could ever need to survive can't pay his employees a better wage, play fair with his taxes, or be bothered with the hardworking, down on their luck families who have lost everything to their corporations, banks, and predatory lending practices? They'll kill this nation with their greed and I'm certain our founding fathers wouldn't appreciate a corporate-run USA balancing their deficit on the working and middle classes, just crushing them to death.

    Welfare needs to be in place as well as a subtle redistribution of wealth and major overhauls in how much power banks and wall street have.

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