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Dittohead not! said:

Not when the statement is made that Americans "are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians."

If that is so, then the Canadians should be champing at the bit to trade their system for one like ours.

How about it, Canadians? Am I wrong? Brits and Aussies feel free to chime in here, too.

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It is a ridiculous question.

It would be like asking Medicaid recipients if we should eliminate it.
Or maybe we should just ask those Canadian's that have come to the U.S. to get care.

It is a ridiculous question and is meaningless in this discussion.

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Excon said:

:doh

Said the person who misrepresented what the term meant, was caught, called out and discredited as previously shown.

:doh
ilol

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I have presented a mountain of evidence - both in definitions and in applications - from economists, politicians and others which clearly show that VULTURE CAPITALISM is exactly proper as I used it.

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Such hyperbole!

Here we go again! :doh

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haymarket said:

YOur problem seems to be with the sources that I used which clearly demonstrate that a [highlight]VULTURE CAPITALIST is a far different thing that a VENTURE CAPITALIST[/highlight].

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Like I said: (and shown)

By definition, it is derogatory slang for a Venture Capitalist. ​

And

Dance, dance, dance. :doh

You held out that they were two different things. As shown, they are not.
You purposely used derogatory slang and then denied it meant what it did.

Dance, dance, dance.​

So please continue dancing. It is fun to watch.

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Like I said:

Excon said:

By definition, it is derogatory slang for a Venture Capitalist. Which I am sure you know, which would be why you chose to use it.

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As previously provided.

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Excon said:

It is a ridiculous question.

It would be like asking Medicaid recipients if we should eliminate it.
Or maybe we should just ask those Canadian's that have come to the U.S. to get care.

It is a ridiculous question and is meaningless in this discussion.

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When someone makes the statement that Americans are more satisfied with their health care system than are Canadians, asking what Canadians would trade their system for ours is ridiculous and meaningless?

OK, then, let me ask this one:

What Americans would trade their system for one like the Canadians have?

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274ina said:

John Metz has secret figures for his restaurants. DENN has public figures that I showed. SO - if Dennys can afford the ACA, so can all of John Metzs places.

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That is a incorrect assumption.

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cpwill said:

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who truly are economically illiterate enough to suppose that business owners are some kind of magical money tree - that no matter what burden you put on them they can continue to make a system work and profit and grow. Aesop knew what he was talking about.

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cpwill said:

My employer doesn't buy me auto insurance! My Rights Are Being Abused!!!

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If a business owner doesn't want his employees to have benefits, then he can do all the work himself. What percentage of business owners cam do all the work by themselves? People need to work somewhere, and businesses need someone to work. A quality business depends on ideas and an owner(s) capability but also on quality employees. By providing health insurance, employees will have the comfort of knowing they'll be covered if something happens, and this reduces turnover and increases employee performance. Aside from all that, it's the right thing to do. Not providing the option of benefits for staff that work hard and efficiently - and form a constructive relationship with their boss, peers, and customers - is total crap. Employers who are short sighted and don't care about their staff can eat it. The people who choose to work for people like that keep their job because they're afraid things will be worse elsewhere.

Also, if I'm not paying for my own health insurance, it's really weird that all this money is taken out of my paycheck. See, employees and employers both contribute -- in many areas.

And with auto insurance, people choose whether or not to drive. Nobody chooses whether or not to have cancer.

Dittohead not! said:

When someone makes the statement that Americans are more satisfied with their health care system than are Canadians, asking what Canadians would trade their system for ours is ridiculous and meaningless?

OK, then, let me ask this one:

What Americans would trade their system for one like the Canadians have?

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I would but I would prefer the UKs system to the Canadian one.

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Excon said:

Such hyperbole!

Here we go again! :doh

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All you are doing - in addition to your silly barnyard creatures - is repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over. And what you are repeating is that you managed to find a source which says that the term VULTURE CAPITALIST can be used as a negative for VENTURE CAPITALIST. And that is what you are hanging your hat on - besides using it as an excuse to repeatedly attack me.

What you FAIL to understand - and what you have FAILED to understand from the beginning - is that your big source is just one opinion on a term that is relatively new and evolving in the culture. As such, there are going to be differences in opinion and differences in definition as the term evolves, gains understanding in wider usage, and comes to be accepted in the broader culture.

I attempted to take you beyond the security you found in that definition by providing you actual uses of the term in the very political controversy that spawned it - the Romney Bain Capital discussions that arose during the GOP primary debates. I provided for you actual video - which apparently you intentionally ignored because it showed you are wrong - in which several prominent Republicans including the Governor of Texas and the former Speaker of the House clearly laid out for you as detailed case as to
1- what the difference is between VENTURE CAPITALISTS and VULTURE CAPITALISTS
2- why Mitt Romney qualified as a VUTLURE CAPITALIST through his experience at Bain and not merely the normal VENTURE CAPITALIST.

Both men gave you minutes of detail on both of these things.

What was your reaction? Pretend that nothing exists except your little quickie internet definition. Oh - and your barnyard addition to mock me.

So I then referred you to an article which detailed the thoughts of a Nobel Prize winning economist on the topic and even linked to a video where you could listen to it. Again, like in the other videos, it was clear what the differences between VENTURE CAPITALISM and VULTURE CAPITALISM was. Of course, one had to read it and one had to listen to it.

What was your reaction: You repeated the same internet quickie definition while ignoring the additional evidence. And of course your chicken intended to mock.

And now all you do is repeat the same thing over and over and over ignoring the mountain of evidence I produced going far beyond your little internet quickie definitions.

Your own definition clearly indicates that there is and are substantive differences between the two categories. Look at what your own definition says from Google

Like them or not, many vulture capitalists make more money than the venture capitalists do.

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Your own definition divides the two and separates the two.

And your other definition from free Online does the same

However, vulture capitalists may be in a better position to market these new products than the inventors themselves.

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Again, treating the two as two separate and different entities.

So what do we have here? Over and over and over again you ignore a mountain of evidence about the differences between VULTURE CAPITALISM and VENTURE CAPITALISM in favor of hanging your entire case on a couple of internet quickie definitions that themselves state that there are differences and place them in different groupings.

1- you ignore and are silent about the evidence which refutes your claim
2- your own evidence defeats your own allegations and claims

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haymarket said:

All you are doing - in addition to your silly barnyard creatures - is repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and over. And what you are repeating is that you managed to find a source which says that the term VULTURE CAPITALIST can be used as a negative for VENTURE CAPITALIST. And that is what you are hanging your hat on - besides using it as an excuse to repeatedly attack me.

What you FAIL to understand - and what you have FAILED to understand from the beginning - is that your big source is just one opinion on a term that is relatively new and evolving in the culture. As such, there are going to be differences in opinion and differences in definition as the term evolves, gains understanding in wider usage, and comes to be accepted in the broader culture.

I attempted to take you beyond the security you found in that definition by providing you actual uses of the term in the very political controversy that spawned it - the Romney Bain Capital discussions that arose during the GOP primary debates. I provided for you actual video - which apparently you intentionally ignored because it showed you are wrong - in which several prominent Republicans including the Governor of Texas and the former Speaker of the House clearly laid out for you as detailed case as to
1- what the difference is between VENTURE CAPITALISTS and VULTURE CAPITALISTS
2- why Mitt Romney qualified as a VUTLURE CAPITALIST through his experience at Bain and not merely the normal VENTURE CAPITALIST.

Both men gave you minutes of detail on both of these things.

What was your reaction? Pretend that nothing exists except your little quickie internet definition. Oh - and your barnyard addition to mock me.

So I then referred you to an article which detailed the thoughts of a Nobel Prize winning economist on the topic and even linked to a video where you could listen to it. Again, like in the other videos, it was clear what the differences between VENTURE CAPITALISM and VULTURE CAPITALISM was. Of course, one had to read it and one had to listen to it.

What was your reaction: You repeated the same internet quickie definition while ignoring the additional evidence. And of course your chicken intended to mock.

And now all you do is repeat the same thing over and over and over ignoring the mountain of evidence I produced going far beyond your little internet quickie definitions.

Your own definition clearly indicates that there is and are substantive differences between the two categories. Look at what your own definition says from Google



Your own definition divides the two and separates the two.

And your other definition from free Online does the same



Again, treating the two as two separate and different entities.

So what do we have here? Over and over and over again you ignore a mountain of evidence about the differences between VULTURE CAPITALISM and VENTURE CAPITALISM in favor of hanging your entire case on a couple of internet quickie definitions that themselves state that there are differences and place them in different groupings.

1- you ignore and are silent about the evidence which refutes your claim
2- your own evidence defeats your own allegations and claims

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Oh for Christ sake. Just admit that you used that pejorative term because it was a negative way to characterize Mitt Romney, and instead of running a substantive campaign you liberals had to smear, and sully the career of a decent man, because you couldn't have won a head to head campaign on ideas.

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Mustachio said:

If a business owner doesn't want his employees to have benefits, then he can do all the work himself.

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And if a business owner is just expanding and can afford an employee that costs $15K for part-time, but not the $23K you insist upon?

I will never cease to be amazed at the people who will insist that it is better that our poor be unemployed than that they have entry-level jobs and entry-level compensation.

What percentage of business owners cam do all the work by themselves? People need to work somewhere, and businesses need someone to work.

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Businesses can run on fewer employees, or more employees. The demand for labor exists on a supply/demand curve, just like the demand for anything else. You increase the price for labor, you reduce the demand for it.

Also, if I'm not paying for my own health insurance, it's really weird that all this money is taken out of my paycheck.

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no. It's weird that you have this idea that your employer is rightfully responsible for your health insurance in the first place. Why would you not prefer a package better suited to you? Why would you want to lose health coverage upon losing your job? Isn't that the worst time to be unprotected from the worst that life can throw at you?

And with auto insurance, people choose whether or not to drive. Nobody chooses whether or not to have cancer.

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.....and that impacts this discussion because..... ?

Everyone also has to have shelter and food. Do you expect your employer to pick out a house for you and decide what you shall eat?

It would seem that a lot of liberals in here do not realize the cost of benefits in a total compensation package. For example, earnings of an employee making $57K per year, with a 401K, and carrying health insurance, is typically $84K per year to the company...

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Cephus said:

Actually, tons of Canadians come to the United States for treatment now, rather than sitting around and waiting for it for "free" in Canada... later.

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Mostly not true. Some Canadians do choose to get some procedures done in the US if they can afford it, like getting a hip replaced. But these instances are very rare. However, some provinces do send Canadians to get treated in the US if it proves to be more feasible (i.e. patient is closer to American hospital that a Canadian one that is able to treat his/her ailment). When this happens, the province gets a bill from the American hospital.

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j-mac said:

Oh for Christ sake. Just admit that you used that pejorative term because it was a negative way to characterize Mitt Romney, and instead of running a substantive campaign you liberals had to smear, and sully the career of a decent man, because you couldn't have won a head to head campaign on ideas.

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Actually we did win the campaign. Years from now nobody cares who finished second or why.

And as I have shown with extensive evidence - much of it from your fellow Republicans - there is a significant difference between VENTURE capitalism and VULTURE capitalism.
It was prominent members of the republican establishment who made it an issue and who first attacked Romney for it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueGj788tV-Q

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...talism_is_good_vulture_capitalism_is_bad.html

So blaming your hated enemy "liberals" is more than a bit dishonest.

j-mac said:

It would seem that a lot of liberals in here do not realize the cost of benefits in a total compensation package. For example, earnings of an employee making $57K per year, with a 401K, and carrying health insurance, is typically $84K per year to the company...

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No, we get that benefits cost money. Thanks for this amazing revelation.

But if paying 14 cents more per pizza at a crappy pizza chain is enough to get their employees health insurance, here's a ****ing quarter. Get the deluxe health plan.

j-mac said:

It would seem that a lot of liberals in here do not realize the cost of benefits in a total compensation package. For example, earnings of an employee making $57K per year, with a 401K, and carrying health insurance, is typically $84K per year to the company...

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The minimum benefits cost is usually +25K$, but I have seen it go as high as 45% of gross annualized wages. When some companies are providing uniforms, as well as 401K plans, insurances, time off, sick time, child care, and even vehicle/travel funds and access the business cost gets up there on the benefits end.

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j-mac said:

Oh for Christ sake. Just admit that you used that pejorative term because it was a negative way to characterize Mitt Romney, and instead of running a substantive campaign you liberals had to smear, and sully the career of a decent man, because you couldn't have won a head to head campaign on ideas.

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Remember, "you liberals" was originally Rick Perry, who first applied the term "vulture capitalist to Mitt Romney. The crapfling that characterized the past election started in the primary.

But, I agree that Romney is a decent man, and that it is a shame he didn't win the election.

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Dittohead not! said:

Remember, "you liberals" was originally Rick Perry, who first applied the term "vulture capitalist to Mitt Romney. The crapfling that characterized the past election started in the primary.

But, I agree that Romney is a decent man, and that it is a shame he didn't win the election.

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Romney is a decent man but the last person who should have been the nomination, and it was a weak pool. Romney wasn't enough differentiated from Democrats of this generation to really stand out and it cost us a second Obama term and a divided congress. Oh well, we'll have to keep paying this tab for four more years and longer.

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LaMidRighter said:

Romney is a decent man but the last person who should have been the nomination, and it was a weak pool. Romney wasn't enough differentiated from Democrats of this generation to really stand out and it cost us a second Obama term and a divided congress. Oh well, we'll have to keep paying this tab for four more years and longer.

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The one who really stood out as having a different philosophy was Ron Paul.

But, is the country really ready for a Libertarian president?

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Dittohead not! said:

The one who really stood out as having a different philosophy was Ron Paul.

But, is the country really ready for a Libertarian president?

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The only disagreement I had with Ron Paul was the speed of defense scale backs, it wouldn't have been safe. I honestly think that killed him because everyone seemed to be on board with his economic ideas and policies. Not that I am saying we need to maintain defense status quo, but the roll back has to be a little more gradual.

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LaMidRighter said:

The only disagreement I had with Ron Paul was the speed of defense scale backs, it wouldn't have been safe. I honestly think that killed him because everyone seemed to be on board with his economic ideas and policies. Not that I am saying we need to maintain defense status quo, but the roll back has to be a little more gradual.

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Congress would have put the brakes on that scale back, at least to the point it wouldn't have left us vulnerable to attack. The president doesn't have half the power that is ascribed to him by voters.

But, could a libertarian president be elected? I wonder. Conservatives talk about scaling back the size and scope of the federal government, but when it comes down to actually doing it to the degree that Ron Paul would want, suddenly the philosophy changes.

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Dittohead not! said:

Congress would have put the brakes on that scale back, at least to the point it wouldn't have left us vulnerable to attack. The president doesn't have half the power that is ascribed to him by voters.

But, could a libertarian president be elected? I wonder. Conservatives talk about scaling back the size and scope of the federal government, but when it comes down to actually doing it to the degree that Ron Paul would want, suddenly the philosophy changes.

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I think a libertarian has a good shot within the next twenty years if we stay on this course, with the amount of inane laws we have on the books from both parties and the devaluation of the dollar I do believe we'll have a massive awakening somewhere. I think Dr. Paul or even Gary Johnson would have been far superior to either party candidate this time, unfortunately the bulk of the country wasn't ready to do the heavy lifting yet. Unfortunately in Dr. Paul's case, many people still think the president is the be all/end all of political power, so his defense remarks were more consequential than they should have been.

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LaMidRighter said:

I think a libertarian has a good shot within the next twenty years if we stay on this course, with the amount of inane laws we have on the books from both parties and the devaluation of the dollar I do believe we'll have a massive awakening somewhere. I think Dr. Paul or even Gary Johnson would have been far superior to either party candidate this time, unfortunately the bulk of the country wasn't ready to do the heavy lifting yet. Unfortunately in Dr. Paul's case, many people still think the president is the be all/end all of political power, so his defense remarks were more consequential than they should have been.

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One can hope. I wonder just how much money the government can give away to corporations and welfare recipients, foreign governments and agribusiness, how much borrowed money it can spend policing the world, before the whole system comes crashing down around our ears and we have to make some changes in order to survive?

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Dittohead not! said:

One can hope. I wonder just how much money the government can give away to corporations and welfare recipients, foreign governments and agribusiness, how much borrowed money it can spend policing the world, before the whole system comes crashing down around our ears and we have to make some changes in order to survive?

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Austerity isn't far away, we are iirc only a percentage point or two behind where Greece and Spain were as a measure of debt to GDP and we got down graded so it's not more than a couple of years at this pace.

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Dittohead not! said:

The one who really stood out as having a different philosophy was Ron Paul.

But, is the country really ready for a Libertarian president?

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A Libertarian president? Maybe. Ron Paul? Hell no. The guy is a whack-a-loon.

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LaMidRighter said:

The only disagreement I had with Ron Paul was the speed of defense scale backs, it wouldn't have been safe. I honestly think that killed him because everyone seemed to be on board with his economic ideas and policies. Not that I am saying we need to maintain defense status quo, but the roll back has to be a little more gradual.

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Actually, the fact that he wasn't running this year killed him.