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Gipper · Nov 18, 2012

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Neomalthusian said:
Isn't that interesting, considering it is called the Patient Protection and AFFORDABLE CARE Act?

Can't argue with that logic. I guess I'm not considered a patriot by Dubya's standards - you know, me being against the PATRIOT Act and all.

Paschendale said:
That's the crux, isn't it? You genuinely don't think people will pour themselves into a profession unless their livelihood is tied to it. There's no reason why it has to be. There's a lot more that we get out of our occupations than simply financial remuneration. We have pride and purpose. We have a reason to get out of bed in the morning. Everybody needs to be good at something.

Did you ever imagine that "pride and purpose" is a form of compensation? Do you think that I come home as an accountant with some strong sense of self that I helped a business with their tax needs? Do you think that a corporate lawyer gets some personal joy from a job well done at the faceless multinational company he represents?

Certain jobs need to pay more money - not just because of the education, training, and financially/statistically measurable factors involved. Hell, I'd love to be a teacher and make a comparative salary. People think that I'm the "leader of generations". I can do no wrong. I'm dedicating myself and my life to kids. More than that blood-sucking beancounter, or that heartless corporate prick.

So yeah...eventually the sentimental hokum and socially appeasing crap has to take a back seat to simple economics and statistical requirements.

Uzidoesit · Nov 18, 2012

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j-mac said:
Why would a misfiled $700 be any better under a single payer plan? Could it be that it would be the government that picked up the waste of that rather than you having to fight it?

Single payor cuts out all the bean counters in the middle, and all the riff-raff that take money out of the system, rather than put into it, such as people who make sure you have a "referral" or decide which medications you can have, and which medications you cannot have, instead of the treating physicians.

You have so many parasitic bean counters anymore, that doctors cannot do the best they can because of the parasite hangers on in the world of medical/dental and ancillary health care...that's why.

Gipper · Nov 18, 2012

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Uzidoesit said:
Single payor cuts out all the bean counters in the middle, and all the riff-raff that take money out of the system, rather than put into it, such as people who make sure you have a "referral" or decide which medications you can have, and which medications you cannot have, instead of the treating physicians.

You have so many parasitic bean counters anymore, that doctors cannot do the best they can because of the parasite hangers on in the world of medical/dental and ancillary health care...that's why.

Please continue. I'm blushing.

There is value added with the cogs in the middle. They exist for protection, accuracy, and efficiency. America isn't the Smurf village. Sickly Smurf can't just go to Doctor Smurf, tell him his ouchies, and expect Doctor Smurf to simply heal him and send him home happy. That's fantasy. There's some red tape that's surely able to be cut, but you're oversimplifying it to an impossible level.

You have so many parasitic bean counters anymore, that doctors cannot do the best they can because of the parasite hangers on in the world of medical/dental and ancillary health care...that's why.

Yeah, it's never the patient's fault. I'll go find someone in legal and inform them of this. They're a humorless bunch. They could use a laugh.

Dittohead not! · Nov 18, 2012

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Neomalthusian said:
I agree with you, but we have to be careful with these comparisons. A heart attack is not necessarily like totaling a car. A heart attack might be like the engine failing in a 1980 Ferrari Mondial after you drove it without ever changing the oil (comparison: an obese 60-year old who has eaten **** food all his life and never exercised). Will car insurance will replace the engine of your 1980 Ferrari Mondial? How about if you have wrecked countless cars in the past, had your license suspended, and visibly neglect your vehicle's maintenance needs? Are you an innocent victim of something going wrong? Should insurance come to your rescue and make sure you can drive your 1980 Ferrari for as long as is technologically possible?

Another example: Yes the patient should pay to get a cut stitched, but if s/he has already spent their out of pocket maximum treating their inflammatory bowel disease, they end up not having to pay for even the minor things like cut-stitching. Or say a person needed a cut stitched every week for a year, that would end up all getting covered. A lot of people who are covered by some form of "insurance" or another already know on January 1st that they are going to blow past their annual out-of-pocket maximum for the year, and I've even heard some people say they wish they could just cut a check for $2,500 (or whatever theirs annual maximum is) to their insurance company and just have them cover everything for the rest of the year so that they don't have to keep track of the individual bills.

Those who should be most protected by health insurance are the relatively young and healthy who have done all the right things but have been truly unlucky. Accident or rare illness. OTOH, perhaps heart attacks and strokes in fat 60+ year olds should not be covered by ANYTHING. Because at that point, it's not insurance. It's just financial idiocy. Really, it's just welfare at that point. Welfare of the most unaffordable kind.

We could appoint a death panel to tell the 60 something who didn't take care of himself, "Sorry, Charlie, but you're like a 20 year old Ferrari with no oil changes for the past decade, and so you'll just have to take your lumps. That would save a pile of money for sure.

Neomalthusian said:
Isn't that interesting, considering it is called the Patient Protection and AFFORDABLE CARE Act?

The government frequently names actions the opposite of their actual results. Take the "Patriot Act" as another example.

Uzidoesit · Nov 18, 2012

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Gipper said:
Please continue. I'm blushing.

There is value added with the cogs in the middle. They exist for protection, accuracy, and efficiency. America isn't the Smurf village. Sickly Smurf can't just go to Doctor Smurf, tell him his ouchies, and expect Doctor Smurf to simply heal him and send him home happy. That's fantasy. There's some red tape that's surely able to be cut, but you're oversimplifying it to an impossible level.

Yeah, it's never the patient's fault. I'll go find someone in legal and inform them of this. They're a humorless bunch. They could use a laugh.

Depends on the doctor and it depends on the patient. You are supposed to be a team with your doctor. If you don't like or suspect that your doctor isn't doing his best; find another one.

We here in the USA, after being in the health field for loads of years, benefit from the best and suffer with the worst that medicine has to offer. That is, if you can afford it.

Fletch · Nov 18, 2012

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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ummm ... there was no national healthcare then ... or social security ... or medicare ... or medicade.

The Great Depression was the result of years of Republican policies.

Really? Which policies were those, exactly?

Gipper · Nov 18, 2012

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Uzidoesit said:
Depends on the doctor and it depends on the patient. You are supposed to be a team with your doctor. If you don't like or suspect that your doctor isn't doing his best; find another one.

America, and American health care, doesn't exist and perpetuate based on "supposed to". Doctors, as a whole, are self-serving and opportunistic. I'm painfully reminded of this on a daily basis, with weekend breaks. Fortunately, I get to go deal with them again tomorrow. Always a pleasure.

Another problem exists when patients think that they're smarter than their doctors. You've seen those commercials for some random FDA-untested-but-buy-it-anyway pharmaceutical. Do you want a doctor doing YOUR job? There is a distinct and lengthy chain of command involved between a person going in to see a doctor and a doctor getting paid for services rendered. It could use some reform, but it sounds as if you're just willing to completely overhaul the system, which would be quite bad.

We here in the USA, after being in the health field for loads of years, benefit from the best and suffer with the worst that medicine has to offer. That is, if you can afford it.

America also bears the cost and flips the bill on R&D that other countries are relieved from spending. The first thing I would do, if given the power, to alleviate the health care suffering involves serious head-rattling over at the FDA. Between the world piggybacking on Big Pharm and the FDA Nazis putting America's collective balls in a vice, there's definitely a reason why we're getting bent over in health care, but not because of the pie-in-the-sky arguments that you're bringing up.

j-mac · Nov 18, 2012

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Dittohead not! said:
We could appoint a death panel to tell the 60 something who didn't take care of himself, "Sorry, Charlie, but you're like a 20 year old Ferrari with no oil changes for the past decade, and so you'll just have to take your lumps. That would save a pile of money for sure.

Oh, but that has already been thought of....

President Obama’s ACA established the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), a 15-member panel of unelected federal employees; its members to be appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. The law does not require the IPAB to be bi-partisan in structure, as is required for almost all other independent agencies. Its mission is specific – to restrict payments to doctors and hospitals in order to achieve a reduction in Medicare spending beneath a specified cap.

The reality is that the IPAB represents an unprecedented shift of power from individual Americans and their families to a centralized authority, a controlling Board of political appointees that is virtually unaccountable, and destined to become President Obama’s version of the NICE rationing board in Britain’s socialized medical system, the National Health Service.

IPAB: President Obama's NICE Way To Ration Care To Seniors - Forbes

Oh boy! let the savings begin....Oh and BTW, be sure to give your grandmother, or cherished Aunt an extra long hug this Thursday for Thanksgiving....

The government frequently names actions the opposite of their actual results. Take the "Patriot Act" as another example.

Yeah, like Single Payer.....

Uzidoesit · Nov 18, 2012

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j-mac said:
Oh, but that has already been thought of....

Oh boy! let the savings begin....Oh and BTW, be sure to give your grandmother, or cherished Aunt an extra long hug this Thursday for Thanksgiving....

Yeah, like Single Payer.....

Eh, my Mom was in such dire straits when she passed, I wished there was a death panel. No hope of recovery and she suffered all the way down.

Knowing that, as her daughter, likely I will suffer a similar fate. It's horrible. Yeah, the slippery slope, but cats and dogs get more consideration.

j-mac · Nov 18, 2012

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Uzidoesit said:
Eh, my Mom was in such dire straits when she passed, I wished there was a death panel. No hope of recovery and she suffered all the way down.

Knowing that, as her daughter, likely I will suffer a similar fate. It's horrible. Yeah, the slippery slope, but cats and dogs get more consideration.

So because your mom, which I am sorry to hear, had a tough time, everyone should have that decision removed from them?

Uzidoesit · Nov 18, 2012

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j-mac said:
So because your mom, which I am sorry to hear, had a tough time, everyone should have that decision removed from them?

Well, let's put it this way; "living will" should be honored, if nothing else. It isn't, and the suffering is real...it's heartbreaking.

GhostlyJoe · Nov 18, 2012

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zimmer said:
Government is inserting itself into the free market because a few people fail to pay insurance. And what great things have government done???

If we had government in the computer business... we would be using Commodore 64's.

The government is taking and spreading it around... they are farking the healthcare system in the process. Go to a socialist EU country and tell me their system is better... it ain't... even... close.

You have NO idea what business is about. It is not a charity... businesses survive when they make a lot of profit... then they can hire to grow and expand. You tax them...YOU PAY THE TAX!!!! YOU PAY THE TAX!!!! YOU... ALWAYS YOU... FOREVER... YOU.

This is something our school systems have failed to teach... LIFE 101.

facepalm... You JUST DO NOT GIT IT DO YOU????????????????????????????????????

Libs are from Mars... Republicans from Planet Earth.

Hail to Parasite Nation... Hail!!!

Here. Learn something.

Neomalthusian · Nov 18, 2012

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Dittohead not! said:
We could appoint a death panel to tell the 60 something who didn't take care of himself, "Sorry, Charlie, but you're like a 20 year old Ferrari with no oil changes for the past decade, and so you'll just have to take your lumps. That would save a pile of money for sure.

It wouldn't even have to be decided on an individual basis in many cases. E.g., there will be no coverage of treatment of medical problems that are caused by obesity if your BMI is north of _____. There will be no coverage of treatment of medical problems beyond the average life expectancy (which means it's up to you to save money for life-prolongation beyond that age). Things like that can just be universal rules. They may seem inhumane, but there is nothing "humane" about yanking money from anywhere we can find it to fund this desperate spare-no-expense free-for-all that we erroneously call "insurance."

Dittohead not! · Nov 18, 2012

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j-mac said:
Oh, but that has already been thought of....

Oh boy! let the savings begin....Oh and BTW, be sure to give your grandmother, or cherished Aunt an extra long hug this Thursday for Thanksgiving....

Yeah, like Single Payer.....

Is anyone even calling Obamneycare that? If so, it is indeed erroneous.

Dittohead not! · Nov 18, 2012

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j-mac said:
So because your mom, which I am sorry to hear, had a tough time, everyone should have that decision removed from them?

Everyone should have that decision left to them.

cpwill · Nov 18, 2012

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Dittohead not! said:
While there are no doubt wealthy Canadians who come to the US for health care due to its proximity, America doesn't even make the list of destinations for medical tourism.

The reason is most likely the cost. Why go to where costs are highest in the world?

For the reason you implicitly identify. Because it is higher quality. If you want to survive cancer; you come to the United States. If you want a difficult bypass or neurological procedure, you come to the United States. If you want to get care quickly rather than waiting for months on end, you come to the United States. And it ain't just the wealthy - feel free to peruse those links.

Dittohead not! · Nov 18, 2012

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cpwill said:
For the reason you implicitly identify. Because it is higher quality. If you want to survive cancer; you come to the United States. If you want a difficult bypass or neurological procedure, you come to the United States. If you want to get care quickly rather than waiting for months on end, you come to the United States. And it ain't just the wealthy - feel free to peruse those links.

Is it really higher quality?

Why to citizens of this country engage in medical tourism if we have the best care right here at home?

Uzidoesit · Nov 18, 2012

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I can understand, that for a child, you would go bankrupt and pay anything to extend the life of a young one. However, when someone is 80 plus, and every organ is kicking out, one by one, the lungs, the kidney, the circulation, the leg amputated, eyesight, hearing, et al., and they are Mom or Dad that you have loved all of your life, it's a different thing.

Yes, there are 80 somethings who are alive and well, and have another whatever years to go, but I am not talking about them.

I am talking about the end-time, when and unless, death is obviated from the planet, it's one of the most difficult times of a person's life; to bear witness to the ones you love, dying.

I am not saying that I'd be able to do any different...but I'd have liked a choice.

winston53660 · Nov 18, 2012

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cpwill said:
For the reason you implicitly identify. Because it is higher quality. If you want to survive cancer; you come to the United States. If you want a difficult bypass or neurological procedure, you come to the United States. If you want to get care quickly rather than waiting for months on end, you come to the United States. And it ain't just the wealthy - feel free to peruse those links.

It is a bit more diffulcult than that. For example

Deuce · Nov 18, 2012

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j-mac said:
Is there no medicaid?

You should really check in on the requirements for medicaid in some states.

Cephus · Nov 18, 2012

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cpwill said:
For the reason you implicitly identify. Because it is higher quality. If you want to survive cancer; you come to the United States. If you want a difficult bypass or neurological procedure, you come to the United States. If you want to get care quickly rather than waiting for months on end, you come to the United States. And it ain't just the wealthy - feel free to peruse those links.

Actually, tons of Canadians come to the United States for treatment now, rather than sitting around and waiting for it for "free" in Canada... later.

joko104 · Nov 18, 2012

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A main function of ObamaCare is to give more power of the major corporations to eliminate independent and non-politically profitable smaller companies.

To this end, Obama personally exempted 1200 of the largest and wealthiest corporations exemption from ObamaCare - such as WalMart, who pay below poverty level wages, whose heirs have $20 BILLION each, and with $16 BILLION per year profits after expansion costs - while the old couple with the dollar stores have to pay at least $2000 more for each employee - and that is just to NOT provide their employees with Obama approved insurance plan. But, then that old couple can't afford to buy exemption from President Obama.

Given that Obama is openly acting with the major corporations to wipe out all small business competitors, it is easy to see why small business truly hates Obama. He is the "great destroyer" of their life efforts. That really is what ObamaCare is largely about - destroying small business competitors of the mega rich big boys - who mega give to Obama and Democrats.

Excon · Nov 18, 2012

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haymarket said:
Dancing on your grave now. :mrgreen::lamo

It pretty bad when all you can do is repeat the same discredited and already refuted line over and over and over again while trying to ignore the mountain of evidence which has already proven you dead wrong.

Thats where the grave comes in.

:doh

Said the person who misrepresented what the term meant, was caught, called out and discredited as previously shown.

:doh
ilol

Excon · Nov 18, 2012

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obvious Child said:
Your inability to use your own logic is not my fault. You presented an argument. I used your logic against you. Now you are upset that your own logic was brought to its conclusion you don't like. Again, not my fault you failed to think through your own argument before you made it.

Seems that very few people here ever took a basic logic or rhetoric class and also expect no one to actually look at the logic presented within their arguments. If you post an argument, expect to have it taken apart and used against you. Failure to think through what you presented is your fault and your fault alone. Don't go with the "putting words in my mouth" when the logic used came from your mouth. Take some responsibility for what you posted. Own your argument. Don't go complaining when it doesn't go your way. That just makes you look incredibly immature.

:naughty
No, that is your logic that you are using. And it is logic that is obviously and hilariously wrong.
You put words into my mouth that I never said. Period! You are the one who is in the wrong here and should follow your own advice as it applies to you and not me.

obvious Child said:
Want to tell me how healthcare run by the government where the doctors are government employees, procedures set by the government in facilities own by the government using equipment owned by the government is capitalistic?

Or do you simply not understand what socialism is?

You seem to be confused.

How the government decides to carry out it's contractual obligation matters not. It still is a contractual obligation. Which is Capitalistic and not Socialism.

It is something that was earned by a person's service. Which is not socialism. Or did you not know that?

Excon · Nov 18, 2012

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radcen said:
Ridiculous... or inconvenient?

Most definitely not an inconvenience, as it is, as stated, a ridiculous question.

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