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Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

What are you talking about? Just because I didn't put up a plan means that I'm being dishonest? I will deal with things my way and just because I do that does not mean I'm being dishonest.

No, because you never discuss the status quo. Or offer a real alternative. You just bitch and offer nothing in return.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

BS!
Eliminate the ER mandate.
Hell you could greatly reduce cost by limiting the function ER now serves.
That is one way to take care of it.

You know, even Reagan thought leaving people to die in the streets was wrong. I guess you don't have a problem with denying people life saving treatment and thus leaving them to die in the streets. People think our civilization has moved beyond the barbaric nation of the caveman. Some people have perhaps. Others, clearly have not.

Thanks for earning your reputation that you are totally okay with letting people die in the streets.

Sure lets just eliminate people from the discussion because they earned something right?
Ridiculous.

And that refutes my point how? Saying that no one else can get Socialized medicine while you are on it is rather hypocritical.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

It's sad that the government providing health-care to everyone is the bad guy, and not the guy putting the extra cost onto the people, and the workers.

Though this is an argument for a single payer system as well though.

No it's sad that people don't understand the agenda behind Obamacare.

You do realize if you allow government to dictate healthcare you allow government to dictate your life and all industries??

If you can control healthcare you can control everything via a domino effect.

If you think I'm wrong then tell me one thing that doesn't effect your health? So basically Obama care will allow the government to pick winners and losers.

If I'm Obama and if the fast food industry doesn't play ball and do what I demand - hey, I'll just say "fast food is bad for you so since we have socialized healthcare it makes sense to tax cheeseburgers at 2 dollars to pay for those suffering from obesity." Of course progressives would buy that, hook line and sinker.

Obamacare is more of a threat to civil liberties and freedom, not to mention economy than the Patriot Act ever was.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

You know, even Reagan thought leaving people to die in the streets was wrong. I guess you don't have a problem with denying people life saving treatment and thus leaving them to die in the streets. People think our civilization has moved beyond the barbaric nation of the caveman. Some people have perhaps. Others, clearly have not.

Thanks for earning your reputation that you are totally okay with letting people die in the streets.



And that refutes my point how? Saying that no one else can get Socialized medicine while you are on it is rather hypocritical.

In what universe do you believe Obama or the government in general gives a rats ass about you?

We're only talking about the same Obama that sat back and watched our ambassador in Benghazi get dragged through the streets and murdered while he said "meh."
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

In what universe do you believe Obama or the government in general gives a rats ass about you?

We're only talking about the same Obama that sat back and watched our ambassador in Benghazi get dragged through the streets and murdered while he said "meh."

How was anything you posted even relevant to what you quoted?

Or are you simply trying to get a rise out of someone smarter than you?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

How was anything you posted even relevant to what you quoted?

Or are you simply trying to get a rise out of someone smarter than you?

What I articulated has absolutely everything to do with your assertions made.

You label others barbaric for not supporting socialized healthcare as if somehow the architects of this plan actually care about you (or anyone else). I offered a prime example of one of these architects not giving a rats ass about a fellow US citizen and ambassador yet it goes right over your head?

There is not one person in our state or federal government that gives a rats ass about you or you're healthcare.

If you were so damn smart you would realize this.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Dance, dance, dance. :doh

You held out that they were two different things. As shown, they are not.
You purposely used derogatory slang and then denied it meant what it did.

For a minute there I thought Dick Clark was having you review records on BANDSTAND.

YOur problem seems to be with the sources that I used which clearly demonstrate that a VULTURE CAPITALIST is a far different thing that a VENTURE CAPITALIST. Not only did Wikpedia recognize this, but no less than Newt Gingrich recognized this and gave you reasons why the distinctions made a difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueGj788tV-Q

Governor Rick Perry of Texas also did the same.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...talism_is_good_vulture_capitalism_is_bad.html
"There's a real difference between venture capitalism and vulture capitalism. Venture capitalism, we like. Vulture capitalism, no. And the fact of the matter is that he's going to have to face up to this at some time or another, and South Carolina is as good a place to draw that line in the sand as any because those people in Gaffney, S.C., understand what happened to that photo album company. The folks in Georgetown, S.C., understand the jobs that were lost and that Bain Capital took $20 million and $65 million respectively from each of those deals and walked away from it. That's not what we're looking for in a president of the United States. We're looking for someone who knows how to build jobs, create jobs, and that's what I've done in the state of Texas. So, there's no use trying to paper this over. That is a problem for Mitt, and he's going to have to face it."


You seem very unwilling to accept changes in the language. That is your right. But others, including all those people named above and many many more have moved beyond being stuck in the past.

Perhaps this will help you see the difference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLWnB9FGmWE

it was produced by conservatives very much in favor of capitalism and very much against the vulture tactics of Romney and others.

If you do not like what conservatives have to say, perhaps you can stop attacking me for a moment and read what a liberal Nobel prize winning economist has to say about vulture capitalism?

http://civiltongue.com/?tag=vulture-capitalism

http://www.merge-left.org/2012/06/03/paul-krugmans-austerity-debate-on-bbc/

Or perhaps John Nichols writing in the Nation will offer you a different perspective away from that of the conservative politician?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/168899/romney-still-reaps-huge-profits-bains-vulture-capitalism#
 
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Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

You know, even Reagan thought leaving people to die in the streets was wrong. I guess you don't have a problem with denying people life saving treatment and thus leaving them to die in the streets. People think our civilization has moved beyond the barbaric nation of the caveman. Some people have perhaps. Others, clearly have not.

Thanks for earning your reputation that you are totally okay with letting people die in the streets.
If you use that as a justification for government action then there is no limit to government power. A supposedly 'benevolent despotism' is still despotism. In a free society, the responsibility for ones survival lies with the individual. Those who wish to help 'people dying in the streets' are free to do so. What they are not free to do is compel me to help that person.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

For a minute there I thought Dick Clark was having you review records on BANDSTAND.

YOur problem seems to be with the sources that I used which clearly demonstrate that a VULTURE CAPITALIST is a far different thing that a VENTURE CAPITALIST. Not only did Wikpedia recognize this, but no less than Newt Gingrich recognized this and gave you reasons why the distinctions made a difference.

Gingrich Attacks "Vulture Capitalist" Romney - YouTube

Governor Rick Perry of Texas also did the same.

Perry: Venture Capitalism Is Good, Vulture Capitalism Is Bad | RealClearPolitics



You seem very unwilling to accept changes in the language. That is your right. But others, including all those people named above and many many more have moved beyond being stuck in the past.

Perhaps this will help you see the difference

When Mitt Romney Came To Town

it was produced by conservatives very much in favor of capitalism and very much against the vulture tactics of Romney and others.

If you do not like what conservatives have to say, perhaps you can stop attacking me for a moment and read what a liberal Nobel prize winning economist has to say about vulture capitalism?

» vulture capitalism CivilTongue

http://www.merge-left.org/2012/06/03/paul-krugmans-austerity-debate-on-bbc/

Or perhaps John Nichols writing in the Nation will offer you a different perspective away from that of the conservative politician?

Romney Still Reaps Huge Profits From Bain's Vulture Capitalism | The Nation

Like I said: (and shown)
By definition, it is derogatory slang for a Venture Capitalist.

And

Dance, dance, dance. :doh

You held out that they were two different things. As shown, they are not.
You purposely used derogatory slang and then denied it meant what it did.


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Dance, dance, dance.


So please continue dancing. It is fun to watch.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

Allowed myself to see? I've spent 7 years with Tricare now. Unless all your ailments can be magically cured by Motrin, government medicine sucks.



There should be as many as is necessary to fill demand at the price people are willing to pay. Command and Control economies - as you are suggesting we engage in - rarely have beneficial results for those unfortunate enough to live under them.

Ranger Candy...the best treatment available.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

You know, even Reagan thought leaving people to die in the streets was wrong. I guess you don't have a problem with denying people life saving treatment and thus leaving them to die in the streets. People think our civilization has moved beyond the barbaric nation of the caveman. Some people have perhaps. Others, clearly have not.

Thanks for earning your reputation that you are totally okay with letting people die in the streets.
Oh looky here, we have another one that like putting words in another's mouth.
Words which were not said.
Go figure, huh!



And that refutes my point how? Saying that no one else can get Socialized medicine while you are on it is rather hypocritical.
No matter how you want to try and paint it, a contractual obligation for services rendered, which is what Tri-care is, is Capitalistic, and not Socialized Medicine.

And because it is the result of a contractual obligation for services rendered, it is not hypocritical.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

What I articulated has absolutely everything to do with your assertions made.

You label others barbaric for not supporting socialized healthcare as if somehow the architects of this plan actually care about you (or anyone else). I offered a prime example of one of these architects not giving a rats ass about a fellow US citizen and ambassador yet it goes right over your head?

There is not one person in our state or federal government that gives a rats ass about you or you're healthcare.

If you were so damn smart you would realize this.

Your characterization of Obama's response is absurd. Therefore your "prime example" isn't an example of anything.

Not one person in government cares? Really? Before you could have gotten away with just generalizing, but now you've gone and painted yourself into a corner with a ridiculous statement. In your universe, apparently, they give you some sort of magical injection that turns you into an unfeeling robot the moment you get a paycheck from the government instead of that wonderful, caring free-market unicorn.

I'll give you an example of a federal employee I knew who did care about people. He cared about people a lot. His name was Sean Smith. You might recognize the name: he died in Benghazi. He cared enough about people to volunteer for that position, giving up his previous job which was far cushier. He believed in the work he was doing there, that it would help people. He cared about people he didn't even know.

Not one person who cares? You really do think "government" is a building that walks around and does stuff, don't you? (to crib the line from Lewis Black)

It's people. And people do care.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

In zee teeth. No free lunch boxes.

Parasite Nation comes with costs... fewer jobs... hidden taxes... everywhere.

But it's freeeeeeeeeee! Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Wrong numb nuts. It's Aints free.

My uncle owned a restaurant, and the health inspectors came and cited him for a few violations, and maaaaan did he have to pay for them. Can you believe that? Needless to say, he had to raise his prices.

hahahaha zippity doo da, zippity aye, i want health inspections but the cost i won't pay!

parasite nation, where we want restaurants fined for having large quantities of salmonella in their food but go wah wah like a baby when we find out we actually have to pay for it

poor baby, poor baby, does baby want cheaper food?? does baby want to check to make sure his food has no salmonella in it, for free?

wrong, baby, it 'taint free

parasite nation gobble gooble, wah wah, sippy sappy choo choo
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

So please continue dancing. It is fun to watch.

Glad to see you recognize that I am dancing circles around you.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

No, because you never discuss the status quo. Or offer a real alternative. You just bitch and offer nothing in return.

God, you are just full of whine. You should be able to guess what I want done about the problem which I hinted at earlier in the thread. I don't need to follow your rules of debate OC, and just so you know, if I want to discuss my plan I will and if I want to just blast your entitlement nonsense I will do that. Deal with it.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Oh looky here, we have another one that like putting words in another's mouth.
Words which were not said.
Go figure, huh!

He does that regularly and if you continue to talk to him he will do it more.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

Nice. Access to testing and healthcare is "extravagance".

Americans also have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians, better access to preventative care than Canadians, spend less time waiting to see a specialist than Canadians, and are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. At what point does this become extravagance?

I've asked this question before on this forum, and on others as well, and never once got a positive answer. I've had several say "no", and some "No (bleep!)ing way", but no yes or even maybe:

Some of the members of this forum live in Canada and other nations that have universal health care. Would any of you trade your health care system for that of the United States?

Anyone... anyone???
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Glad to see you recognize that I am dancing circles around you.
Is that what you think you are doing? :doh:lamo:doh

:lamo:lamo

You own a quite a few pairs of tap dancing shoes.

Come back to reality dude!




He does that regularly and if you continue to talk to him he will do it more.
Go figure!
For some reason I got the impression that "he" was a "she".
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

I've asked this question before on this forum, and on others as well, and never once got a positive answer. I've had several say "no", and some "No (bleep!)ing way", but no yes or even maybe:

Some of the members of this forum live in Canada and other nations that have universal health care. Would any of you trade your health care system for that of the United States?

Anyone... anyone???
What a ridiculous question.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

The story is about John Metz from Florida. He independently owns and operates 40 restaurants. He is cutting employees. He is adding on the tax. This isn't Denny's doings.

John Metz has secret figures for his restaurants. DENN has public figures that I showed. SO - if Dennys can afford the ACA, so can all of John Metzs places.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

by the right of the democratic nation that also requires

Min wage
no child labor
Unemployment
Social Security
etc etc
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

What makes you think you have a right to dictate what those profits are an by what logic do you assert an EMPLOYER must provide healthcare for employees?

By the right of a democratic nation that also requires

min wage
40hr work week
over time
no child labor
Social security
Workers Comp.
etc etc etc
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

By the right of a democratic nation that also requires

min wage
40hr work week
over time
no child labor
Social security
Workers Comp.
etc etc etc
So your belief is that employers are responsible to provide for their employees healthcare. Right? All employers? And what of their families?

Pathetic, yet oh so typical. You dont believe people should take care of themselves...that duty should rest with those that manage to actually find success or with the government. Everyone but the individual.

So...that mom and pop business...the one that hires two, maybe three workers and barely makes enough to pay the bottom line yet manages to pay their employees salaries...them too...right? After all...THEY have to follow all those other rules. So...they should pay too. Right?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

"I love how this is the attitude of the same people who would castigate them for making that very move."

No you are incorect.

They only move THE WORKERS to China.

I AM talking about they move THEM SELVES and there entire COrp to China.

China stock listings
China mansions with China property rights
China currency
China executive retiment plans
China IP protection (lmao)
China executive healthcare
China pollution
China EVERYTHING that the mega rich enjoy here in USA. ALL moved to CHINA.

NOT - jsut the workers..............
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

So your belief is that employers are responsible to provide for their employees healthcare. Right? All employers? And what of their families?

Pathetic, yet oh so typical. You dont believe people should take care of themselves...that duty should rest with those that manage to actually find success or with the government. Everyone but the individual.

So...that mom and pop business...the one that hires two, maybe three workers and barely makes enough to pay the bottom line yet manages to pay their employees salaries...them too...right? After all...THEY have to follow all those other rules. So...they should pay too. Right?

Employers cover there OWN HC. They think it is the responsability of the business to cover their HC and retirement.......

Solution for all = Single payer

Then business is totally out of the HC business.
 
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