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Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co





He cites a Wiki entry without linking to it. :doh
Maybe because it was only recently added to Wiki in July?

So definitions in July somehow are disqualified? What does that do to all information posted after July? That is simply a silly thing to bring up and it in no way shape or form negates the use of the term vulture capitalist.

There is a clear difference between a venture capitalist and a vulture capitalist. Of course, if you refuse to see the difference, that is on you.

And then you want to get into playing BATTLE OF THE DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS. Amazing.:doh

In doing so you totally and completely miss the point of my use of the term in the first place to refer to Romney and the many accusations against him leveled by HIS FELLOW REPUBLICANS for being a vulture capitalist.

Oh - by the way - they did so BEFORE JULY. :roll::lamo
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

It's simple, if purchasing from somebody absorbs you of parasitism, then nobody is a parasite.

Except, of course, for those who don't purchase but take simply take.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Except, of course, for those who don't purchase but take simply take.

ANd you were asked before - what persons are you referring to? Who is it in America who never purchases anything but simply takes everything they use or consume?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

ANd you were asked before - what persons are you referring to? Who is it in America who never purchases anything but simply takes everything they use or consume?
There are plenty of people who take what isn't theirs. It runs the gamut from the lowly pickpocket to AIG. I can't list everyone for you.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

So definitions in July somehow are disqualified? What does that do to all information posted after July? That is simply a silly thing to bring up and it in no way shape or form negates the use of the term vulture capitalist.

There is a clear difference between a venture capitalist and a vulture capitalist. Of course, if you refuse to see the difference, that is on you.

And then you want to get into playing BATTLE OF THE DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS. Amazing.:doh

In doing so you totally and completely miss the point of my use of the term in the first place to refer to Romney and the many accusations against him leveled by HIS FELLOW REPUBLICANS for being a vulture capitalist.

Oh - by the way - they did so BEFORE JULY. :roll::lamo
Yes we know when it was reported that a Republican said such. BFD!

By definition, it is derogatory slang for a Venture Capitalist. Which I am sure you know, which would be why you chose to use it.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Because sometimes people, our fellow citizens, fall into circumstances due only to an illness. It wipes out their savings and their home and tears apart their family. How is that good for the health of our country to then put more people on welfare?

That is where Private Charity needs to step in and help make these people whole again. It's also why people need to be working to achieve sufficient education and training where they can get a job that provides health insurance.

Or we could continue to go the route millions do already and follow Romney's model of getting picked up by an ambulance for a ride to the ER and then receiving treatment for which they won't pay?

Very simple answer to that - Stop requiring emergency medical centers to provide treatment for people who can't pay or who have proven an unwillingness to pay bills in the past.

We can continue to pay more what we could pay less if we just managed it up front.

It's not a matter or More or Less. It's simply a matter of which pocket we're pulling the bills from.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Yes we know when it was reported that a Republican said such. BFD!

By definition, it is derogatory slang for a Venture Capitalist. Which I am sure you know, which would be why you chose to use it.


Absolutely he did. The double standard for liberals never ceases to amaze.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Yes we know when it was reported that a Republican said such. BFD!

By definition, it is derogatory slang for a Venture Capitalist. Which I am sure you know, which would be why you chose to use it.

If you read both the definition I submitted as well as listen to the comments from many prominent Republicans, you will see that they identify substantitive and real differences between the traditional venture capitalist and the far more predatory vulture capitalist.

I opted to use it because it was an apt fit.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Absolutely he did. The double standard for liberals never ceases to amaze.

Newt Gingrich.
Rick Santorum.
Rick Perry.
Sarah Palin.
Haymarket.

Liberals all it would appear. :roll::doh
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

It's sad that the government providing health-care to everyone is the bad guy, and not the guy putting the extra cost onto the people, and the workers.

Though this is an argument for a single payer system as well though.

Which was my statement since the moment this legislation passed.

It's common sense, which is why in no way, shape, or form did I believe it was something the Democrats passing the legislation didn't realize would happen.

Government imposes news regulations and costs on Businesses.

Businesses exist to make money

Businesses when faced with new costs will pass said costs onto the consumer or their employees to the degree that it doesn't provide a net negative to them making money.

Democrats will then go "See! Those horrible greedy Business people took the fine/passed the price onto consumers...we MUST do single payer!"

I've said, since the moment this legislation started looking like a done deal in this format, that this was the end game plan for Democrats. Single Payer was having trouble actually getting support enough to get even moderate blue dog democrats on board, let alone Republicans. It was going to need a better supporting argument....so get your "health care reform" done AND do it in such a way that the obvious, common sense response to it would end up simply facilitating that additional supporting argument you need.

I love the outrage and shock at Business doing what Republicans and Businesses have said been saying business do for my entire life.....when you impose financial burdens on business you're actually imposing it on hte consumer because the cost will almost ALWAYS be passed onto the consumers.

This is basic common sense...yet we get flabbergasted and upset when that happens? Bull. Its a faux outrage, or one that's done by those simply blind to reality and playing right into their parties general hopes...this is going just according to plan.
 
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You assume I know nothing of Canada, I would trade the healthcare system we have for the Canadian one in a heartbeat. In fact, I would probably rather live there, too bad the sort of work I do is much worse there due to climate.

Well, they heartily disagree with you. They have to wait months on end for badly-needed procedures you can get in the U.S. tomorrow.

In British Columbia, they have only five MRI machines. In fact, Pittsburgh, PA, has more MRI machines than all of Canada.

http://www.bcliving.ca/health/mri-s...ealth-care-vs-paying-for-a-private-mri-clinic
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

That is where Private Charity needs to step in and help make these people whole again. It's also why people need to be working to achieve sufficient education and training where they can get a job that provides health insurance.



Very simple answer to that - Stop requiring emergency medical centers to provide treatment for people who can't pay or who have proven an unwillingness to pay bills in the past.



It's not a matter or More or Less. It's simply a matter of which pocket we're pulling the bills from.

We have a philosophical disagreement about the right to healthcare and have stated our positions, Tigger. I'll leave it there.

However, getting employers out of the insurance business should be a natural inclination of business owners. It takes up money and human resources. Large corporations have immense infrastructures to deal with it. Allowing them to redeploy those funds, could be of great benefit to their companies.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

We have a philosophical disagreement about the right to healthcare and have stated our positions, Tigger. I'll leave it there.

Healthcare is a service provided by people, and therefore can not be a right.

However, getting employers out of the insurance business should be a natural inclination of business owners. It takes up money and human resources. Large corporations have immense infrastructures to deal with it. Allowing them to redeploy those funds, could be of great benefit to their companies.

Getting it out of their hands wouldn't necessarily mean put it in the hands of the government.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Anyone who deliberately ignores this isn't serious about costs.

Meaning that Henrin and Zimmer for starters aren't really looking for an honest discussion.

An honest discussion on healthcare has to address the status quo and the alternative. Complaining about a proposed solution while never addressing the existing system is pretty dishonest. Effectively, those who never address the status quo are implicitly arguing that it is right and just to continue the brazen theft of premiums. Apparently it's wrong to redistribute money via taxation, but it's okay to redistribute healthcare via theft.

Dishonestly runs deep in many people here.

What are you talking about? Just because I didn't put up a plan means that I'm being dishonest? I will deal with things my way and just because I do that does not mean I'm being dishonest.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

I've said, since the moment this legislation started looking like a done deal in this format, that this was the end game plan for Democrats. Single Payer was having trouble actually getting support enough to get even moderate blue dog democrats on board, let alone Republicans. It was going to need a better supporting argument....so get your "health care reform" done AND do it in such a way that the obvious, common sense response to it would end up simply facilitating that additional supporting argument you need.

Exactly. I love how they denied it though and now they are admitting it load and proud. There is no end game! That is just a conspiracy theory! Yeah, because liberals haven't pulled this **** before. Right....
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Healthcare is a service provided by people, and therefore can not be a right.

Good point. Well put.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

We have a philosophical disagreement about the right to healthcare and have stated our positions, Tigger. I'll leave it there.

That's fine. We can agree to disagree.

However, getting employers out of the insurance business should be a natural inclination of business owners. It takes up money and human resources. Large corporations have immense infrastructures to deal with it. Allowing them to redeploy those funds, could be of great benefit to their companies.

Yes and no. In any Unionized environment, the Union is going to want that money which was formerly going to healthcare to be spent on either salary or other benefits for the employee, not simply rolled into profits. If an employer is spending $3500 now on the healthcare premium, the employees are going to want some or all of that back in another form.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

I would welcome single payer and it's lower costs. You all keep saying we all pay so why not pay less?

A good idea. Problem 1 is the government has never done anything cheaper or better. Check out the food for fuel program as a recent example. Problem 2 is the government has no money. There is not a company in the US that is as broke as the government and still in business. Problem 3 is that the whole program is based on lies, unless you can make yourself believe that 20 million more people can receive more coverage, insurance companies can be forced to fund kids on their parents policies till they are 26 and be forced to take on customers that will incur hundreds of thousands of dollars of costs in the first year for the same or less than the current price, and that we can save enough money by finding waste in a government health program where no one has been able to find the waste for 50 years to cover all of this
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Healthcare is a service provided by people, and therefore can not be a right.



Getting it out of their hands wouldn't necessarily mean put it in the hands of the government.

Who's hands then?

That's fine. We can agree to disagree.



Yes and no. In any Unionized environment, the Union is going to want that money which was formerly going to healthcare to be spent on either salary or other benefits for the employee, not simply rolled into profits. If an employer is spending $3500 now on the healthcare premium, the employees are going to want some or all of that back in another form.

You are right, the reason healthcare is even in the workplace is because it was meant as additional compensation beyond wages. It's a negotiated benefit, as I understand it. That will have to be mitigated, maybe it can be phased out or split. It is considered part of any compensation package, even outside of unions. But it is still worthwhile to pursue this to reduce the burden on business owners. Further, relieving them of human, and in the case of large corporations, technological costs of administrating their employee's health benefits, would be be a win for them.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

BS!
Eliminate the ER mandate.
Hell you could greatly reduce cost by limiting the function ER now serves.
That is one way to take care of it.

There you go, just turn people away from the ER and let them get well or die. We'd save a few bucks, that way, but still have the most expensive healthcare system on Earth. We'd also be giving natural selection a helping hand and thus strengthen the herd.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Healthcare is a service provided by people, and therefore can not be a right.

Why? Because you say so?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Why? Because you say so?

Because positive rights are a violation of rights to begin with.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Because positive rights are a violation of rights to begin with.

Because ... you say so?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

The employees created it. So it is there business. What is your business in denying millions healthcare?
 
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