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Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Your Star said:
It's sad that the government providing health-care to everyone is the bad guy, and not the guy putting the extra cost onto the people, and the workers.

Though this is an argument for a single payer system as well though.
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One way or another, every tax . . . every expensive regulation . . . is paid by the American consumer. There's no free lunch. Just because the government is raising taxes on "the other guy," don't think for one minute that it doesn't impact every one of us. Business doesn't grow money on trees.
 
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Grim17 said:
This is only the beginning folks... Now that business owners know for sure that Obamacare won't be repealed, you can expect to see a lot more price increases, layoffs, weekly hours being cut and benefit reductions taking place all across the country...

Because like they say, elections do have consequences.
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And poorly run busnesses will keep on failing and well run ones will prosper just like before the election.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Did the same guy provide all of his workers better benefits and more pay and reduce the cost of his food by 5% when he got a tax cut under bush?

Yea, didn't think so. Funny, when you give people a tax cut, that's more money that they get because they're amazing, when you bump their cost of doing business by a small amount, the only way to cope is to take it out on their employees by gaming the system.
 
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AdamT said:
Let's also not forget that the main provisions of ACA don't even go into effect until 2014, so there is no rational justification for this.
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I read a few days ago (don't have the link) that what a company would pay in 2014 is determined by what they did in 2013, so it does matter now.
 
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AdamT said:
Not just customers, but employees. If this jagoff is only giving up 30 hrs./week and Appleby's is offering 40 hrs./week and health insurance, I wonder where the best employees are going to go?

Let's also not forget that the main provisions of ACA don't even go into effect until 2014, so there is no rational justification for this.
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How about people stop going to these establishments that don't give two ****s about their employee's, or customers, and go to business's that at least try to treat every fair, and honestly. We'll see how long they keep these policy's in place.
 
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MaggieD said:
One way or another, every tax . . . every expensive regulation . . . is paid by the American consumer. There's no free lunch. Just because the government is raising taxes on "the other guy," don't think for one minute that it doesn't impact every one of us. Business doesn't grow money on trees.
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But don't think when they get a tax break that it trickles down to us either, it just lines their pockets.
 
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Your Star said:
How about people stop going to these establishments that don't give two ****s about their employee's, or customers, and go to business's that at least try to treat every fair, and honestly. We'll see how long they keep these policy's in place.
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You're right in one regard.... People will stop going to places like this; though it's because of the COST rather than the politics. Of course in another year when all of these places start doing it to ensure their profit margin remains in tact, you're likely to see a major decline for the entire industries related to entertaimnent, eating out, etc....
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Great lets drive them out of business. Who needs those jobs, tips, and services anyway. So long as we make em give us free insurance who needs shelter, food, etc?


Your Star said:
How about people stop going to these establishments that don't give two ****s about their employee's, or customers, and go to business's that at least try to treat every fair, and honestly. We'll see how long they keep these policy's in place.
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AdamT said:
Not just customers, but employees. If this jagoff is only giving up 30 hrs./week and Appleby's is offering 40 hrs./week and health insurance, I wonder where the best employees are going to go?

Let's also not forget that the main provisions of ACA don't even go into effect until 2014, so there is no rational justification for this.
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Which means he is just another disgruntled rich Republican SOB who is mad his taxes are going up.
Move along, nothing to see here.
 
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iguanaman said:
I would welcome single payer and it's lower costs. You all keep saying we all pay so why not pay less?
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Oh great, that dumb myth is back. :doh
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Dittohead not! said:
So it is.

And, he's cutting back employees to 30 hours so he doesn't have to provide health insurance to them. I'm not sure why he'd have to charge customers an extra 5% as well, since he's getting out of providing health insurance. Maybe he has to make a boat payment or something.

I guess his employees will still have to go to the emergency room and stick the paying customers with the bill, just as they did before Obomneycare became law. What a great system we have.
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He's having a hissy fit and yes, the effect will be just that, the ER for his employees.
 
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Your Star said:
But don't think when they get a tax break that it trickles down to us either, it just lines their pockets.
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Just to listen to what you are saying...

1. Their money is your money... the government should thieve it for you.

2. You seem to believe government taking is the solution... why? They take this money... turn $1.00 into 25 cents after the government meat grinder is done with it... and then buy votes with it. Don't you think it would be better in the pockets of those who made it... so they can invest and create jobs?

3. You actually admit to trickle down working... except you think the government should trickle it down... but government's job isn't to be in business. It is 10,000 times better for this money to be creating more money... and jobs, and increases in wages that come with job growth... and with it tax revenue.

4. Who cares if it lines their pockets... they created it, they bought it... they risked it... they earned it.

Jealousy is a integral and vital part of Parasite Nation.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Your Star said:
How about people stop going to these establishments that don't give two ****s about their employee's, or customers, and go to business's that at least try to treat every fair, and honestly. We'll see how long they keep these policy's in place.
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Its like you guys have no idea how the market works.
 
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Henrin said:
You realize that is them still paying for it, right?
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I'm sorry, I misspoke, I should have said universal healthcare. Get employers out of the position of paying for and managing the healthcare of their employees.
 
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Gina said:
He's having a hissy fit and yes, the effect will be just that, the ER for his employees.
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Which is why an aspirin costs $20...
 
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Gina said:
I'm sorry, I misspoke, I should have said universal healthcare. Get employers out of the position of paying for and managing the healthcare of their employees.
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That makes no difference what so ever.
 
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zimmer said:
In zee teeth. No free lunch boxes.

Parasite Nation comes with costs... fewer jobs... hidden taxes... everywhere.

But it's freeeeeeeeeee! Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Wrong numb nuts. It's Aints free.
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Ge whiz Wally - maybe there should be NO taxes and NO regulations and NO gubment orders on Denny's of any kind and then they could hire zillions of new employees and everybody would be happy? ;):roll:
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

It will be interesting to see the decisions businesses are going to make this year and how it will affect them in the long run. Eventually all the hype over the ACA will be gone. Just like every law that gets passed.
 
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Henrin said:
Its like you guys have no idea how the market works.
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I know how the market works, and I know that people not going to their places of business will make them change their tude.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

If we compared tax rates between now, with Obamacare, and before the Bush tax cuts, when do you think they were higher?

I'm going to start posting this question in every single thread that comes up with "Owner/company x does y asshole thing because of Obamacare"
 
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Samhain said:
With individuals having that choice, they can vote with their feet. With single payer, they can't avoid it. It will be baked into everything via taxes on all at all levels.
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Yes, all levels, as if it isn't now?
 
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AdamT said:
Not just customers, but employees. If this jagoff is only giving up 30 hrs./week and Appleby's is offering 40 hrs./week and health insurance, I wonder where the best employees are going to go?

Let's also not forget that the main provisions of ACA don't even go into effect until 2014, so there is no rational justification for this.
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Your Star and Greenballs liked you on this post, but it's idiotic.

Here is why...

Unemployment is high. These people might look, but you think the other restaurants will take them on in this economy. Doh... Noooooooooooo.

And... the others are most likely contemplating their own actions... they'll certainly pass on the costs.

If you know anything about the F&B (Foord & Beverage) business... there is no money in food! Increased costs will be passed on to customers across America.

People will lose jobs and be put on part-time. That is how the game is played. Government makes dumb rules... people makes ways around them.
 
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Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Henrin said:
That makes no difference what so ever.
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How so?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Your Star said:
It's sad that the government providing health-care to everyone is the bad guy, and not the guy putting the extra cost onto the people, and the workers.

Though this is an argument for a single payer system as well though.
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Its not the government providing health care. It is the government deciding to dump the problem on employers. Can you cite any logical reason or justification for an employer to be held responsible for the health care of employees and their families? And why only employers with 50 or more employees?

Oh..and for the record...it will NEVER be 'the government providing healthcare'. When (when...because it will happen) we move to Universal Healthcare, everyones taxes are going to go up. People might as well shelve their outrage and upset at employers raising costs. The government actions will mirror the actions of employers that raise costs to pay for the new forced mandates and when it happens, the same people talking **** about employers raising costs to pay for it will applaud the government tax increases to provide more 'free' government services.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Stuff like this is going on EVERYWHERE. We'll be laying off 15 percent of our company on December 1st, and just about everyone I know is making similar adjustments in the next 30-90 days. Likewise, we've called off plans to roll out two new product lines.

The economy is about to absolutely tank, but at least Obama has World War III brewing in the Middle East right now. There's the source for new jobs.
 
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