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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The up side to this is that it will give impetus to single payer, which is the best solution to our health care problems.
    I love how you guys just admit this upfront.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Typical Parasite Nation argument... argue for no taxes when that was never close to suggested. Honest debate is not Parasite Nation's strength.

    Doh Homer... Perhaps taxes should be greatly reduced to stimulate growth, release investment cash, reduce unemployment and increase government revenue vs. what goes out for once?
    Apparently a sense of humor is not a strength of Right Wing Nation.
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And just who do you think is going to PAY those taxes? Rich people? LOL, that won't amount to squat.

    BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS are going to pay these taxes; hence, why this guy is going to pass along his costs to us and cut his costs.

    That what businesses that don't go out of business do.

    The poor will get poorer because the price of EVERYTHING is going to go up to cover the costs of healthcare. That will drive the economy into a stupor and unemployment through the ceiling.
    The cost is baked in now and in increasing the risk pool, costs of delivering healthcare will be driven down. It is a more efficient way to cover all Americans. Expanding Medicare and adjusting taxes to cover it is has been suggested.

    I can't believe pro-business people want to keep a McDonald's in the business of covering their employee's healthcare insurance.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    True, and they have NOT seen a big shift from full time to part time in MA as a result of the law.
    I suspect that large businesses have either long since left MA or they get an exemption of some sort. The ACA is driving employers out of healthcare. I understand you see this as a move towards single payer. But folks still have to live in the interim while they wait for the possibility of single payer. Remember, the vast majority of US workers were already covered and most by their employer (that's in decline now).

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I don't think deficit spending is "dumping the problem on future generations". Then again, I don't believe in such a simplistic and, frankly, stupid conception of how the federal budget works.
    Of course you dont...because as long as someone else is paying for it and you can be the recipient of the goodies from that 16 trillion dollar (and climbing) debt, you cant see any possible problem with doubling down. As long as you arent responsible for it it isnt 'real' money. Sort of like the health care problem in general...as long as SOMEONE ELSE (not the individual) is stuck with the problem then the solution is aces.

    Greece and Spain amongst others might be able to enlighten you on the downside of irresponsibly spending yourself into oblivion.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Reality is that unemployment has been falling for three years. I know they don't tell you that on Fox News, but it is a fact.
    The unemployment rate is still higher today, than it was when Obama took office, and we all know that doesn't even come close to reflecting the real number of people who are unemployed. A real measure of the unemployment situation is the Employment-Population Ratio. It shows that the percent of the eligable American workforce that's employed today, is nearly 2% lower than it was the day Obama took office.

    You can blow smoke up everyone asses all you want, but the real numbers don't support your propaganda, and I for one ain't stupid enough to buy into it.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    So you prefer to keep employers in the business of purchasing their employees healthcare?

    Other countries have an advantage over U.S. companies in that they are not hobbled with that burden.
    I'm not sure that I'm a fan of either option. Personally, I would prefer we got both companies AND the government completely and totally out of the business of providing health insurance and left it up to the individual citizens. Give me the roughly $6500 that my employer and I collectively pay into the system in premiums every year as part of my weekly paycheck and I'll take care of it myself, thank you very much.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The unemployment rate is still higher today, than it was when Obama took office
    That is an arbitrary number and in no way contradicts the FACT that unemployment has been falling steadily for three years. And of course U6 unemployment has been falling right along with U3, so the claim that "real" unemployment isn't falling is also bull****.
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    As I read these stories about aggressively partisan statements made at the expense of working folks, I wonder what the PR blowback will be.

    Logically, if you believe the problem is too many people wanting 'free stuff' then don't put people in that position.

    The negative PR with the Papa John's guy having pictures of his mega-mansion estate on TV alongside the story of his reluctance to accept an additional 8 million to operating HR costs is hurting the brand.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I love how you guys just admit this upfront.
    What is there to admit? It couldn't possibly be any clearer that single payer is the way to go. There are more than 30 countries that have single payer and every single one of them achieves much lower costs for similar results. Duh.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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