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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Or they could just fund it how they fund everything else...



    Employers that pull this kind of crap are doing so for political reasons or because they are assholes, not because Obamacare is increasing costs to force them to do it.

    FWIW I find it outrageous that my health should be tied to being employed and think there should be options outside of employer-sponsored plans that are actually realistic. Then again, I support a single payer system.
    The up side to this is that it will give impetus to single payer, which is the best solution to our health care problems.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Or they could just fund it how they fund everything else...



    Employers that pull this kind of crap are doing so for political reasons or because they are assholes, not because Obamacare is increasing costs to force them to do it.

    FWIW I find it outrageous that my health should be tied to being employed and think there should be options outside of employer-sponsored plans that are actually realistic. Then again, I support a single payer system.
    Fund it by dumping the problem on future generations? Well... frankly thats how they WILL fund it...just like they fund everything else.

    I've yet to hear ANYONE ever answer by what rule of law or even stretch of logic the government ought to be able to force employers to be responsible to provide for the health care needs of their employees. As an employer...my job is to provide safe working conditions, adequate training, and to fulfill my payroll requirements.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yes, in Massachusetts, they have Romneycare, that's how they provide for it.
    True, and they have NOT seen a big shift from full time to part time in MA as a result of the law.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    More like a disgruntled rich Republican SOB who thinks his taxes are going up.
    Are his taxes not going up?

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Taxes of course. Nothing is free. It's not free now and is horribly expensive because we all pay for the uninsured. I'd prefer to pay more in taxes and have costs driven down because the uninsured are covered and seek less expensive treatment from a GP when at the first sign of illness.

    This is not a good model for managing the country's healthcare needs:



    Yes, in Massachusetts, they have Romneycare, that's how they provide for it.
    And just who do you think is going to PAY those taxes? Rich people? LOL, that won't amount to squat.

    BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS are going to pay these taxes; hence, why this guy is going to pass along his costs to us and cut his costs.

    That what businesses that don't go out of business do.

    The poor will get poorer because the price of EVERYTHING is going to go up to cover the costs of healthcare. That will drive the economy into a stupor and unemployment through the ceiling.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack
    Fund it by dumping the probloem on future generations? Well... frankly thats how they WILL fund it...just like they fund everything else.
    I don't think deficit spending is "dumping the problem on future generations". Then again, I don't believe in such a simplistic and, frankly, stupid conception of how the federal budget works.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Do you know anything about restaurant work? Apparently not. There is always rapid turnover -- even now. And of course the economy is improving, so it will only get more competitive.
    The economy is not improving. You can stop with the election propaganda. Unemployment has risen. Food stamps increased. Deny reality if you like, but there is no there there.

    There is rapid turnover in a good economy... and among the young... and they are most likely to work part-time... and if not now... they surely will after ObamaKare... ROTFLOL...
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The point was that employers are going to pay for the care given. Telling me that you want to get it out of the hands of employers and instead put in the government hands doesn't just change how this works.
    I misspoke, I intended to advocate for universal healthcare.

    Administrating healthcare plans is a headache for businesses. I've been there, done that in the HR department. Not only does it cost money for the insurance, it costs time for employees to handle it. Get it off their backs.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And just who do you think is going to PAY those taxes? Rich people? LOL, that won't amount to squat.

    BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS are going to pay these taxes; hence, why this guy is going to pass along his costs to us and cut his costs.

    That what businesses that don't go out of business do.

    The poor will get poorer because the price of EVERYTHING is going to go up to cover the costs of healthcare. That will drive the economy into a stupor and unemployment through the ceiling.
    But you get that he he can't use the law as an excuse to both eliminate full time positions AND increase his prices, right? You admit that that is just the owner being a dick to send a political message?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    The economy is not an improvement. Unemployment has risen. Food stamps increased. Deny reality if you like, but there is no there there.

    There is rapid turnover in a good economy... and among the young... and they are most likely to work part-time... and if not now... they surely will after ObamaKare... ROTFLOL...
    Reality is that unemployment has been falling for three years. I know they don't tell you that on Fox News, but it is a fact.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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