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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    None of the root causes have been solved, in fact it's been doubled down on. This law sucks, and will get worse. I've spoken at length in the past about why premiums have continued to balloon, most of the problems have been health insurance law, so the solution was to add the worst problems into mandate.
    Bingo. The ACA takes the dumbest parts of our current healthcare system (centralized decision making, third party purchase) and doubles down on them. This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better, folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yup. So. When are they going to start going down, as Obama repeatedly promised?
    If the projected rate of increase decreases from historical patterns that is a step in the right direction.

    Anecdotally I got a 6% decrease in my premium.

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If the projected rate of increase decreases from historical patterns that is a step in the right direction.
    Huh.





    Kaiser (which, it should be noted, was historically a proponent of Obamacare) says that the ACA is responsible for spiking prices up.


    ...The cost of an average family premium shot up 9.5% in 2011 — the highest rate in seven years and three times the rate of overall inflation, finds a major new survey of employer plans by Kaiser Family Foundation.

    Just before Obama signed his health overhaul, he vowed it would "bring down the cost of health care for families, for businesses and for the federal government." In December, he told CBS' "60 Minutes" he was "putting in place a system that's going to lower health care costs."...

    Kaiser attributes the premium spike to "changes from the new health reform law." The 200-page study explains: "Significant percentages of firms made changes in their preventive care benefits and enrolled adult children in their benefits plans in response to provisions in the new health reform law."...

    Costs are projected to simply rise as ObamaCare fully goes into effect. A recent McKinsey & Co. study found that 30% of employers will stop offering benefits after 2014, since "the penalty for not offering coverage is significantly below" the costs of the new mandates....
    "If you like your insurance, you can keep it." "So long as the insurance you have is already government - provided" .

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If the projected rate of increase decreases from historical patterns that is a step in the right direction.

    Anecdotally I got a 6% decrease in my premium.
    Individual results are not a trend. Overall premiums have gone up dramatically, in some regions up to a thousand dollars difference.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Huh.





    Kaiser (which, it should be noted, was historically a proponent of Obamacare) says that the ACA is responsible for spiking prices up.




    "If you like your insurance, you can keep it." "So long as the insurance you have is already government - provided" .
    Increases have out paced earnings before Obama care. BTW your link is not to Kaiser but rather Investors Business daily. Why did you do that?

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Increases have out paced earnings before Obama care.
    Second chart, winston- the second chart. The annual increase in premiums was decreasing before Obamacare, and spiked back up after Obamacare.

    BTW your link is not to Kaiser but rather Investors Business daily. Why did you do that?
    ...because they were the first Google hit when I typed in a search for the report?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Second chart, winston- the second chart. The annual increase in premiums was decreasing before Obamacare, and spiked back up after Obamacare.
    Short time span.



    ...because they were the first Google hit when I typed in a search for the report?
    So why type in Kaiser and then link the word Kaiser? Unless to deceive....

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Short time span.
    YOU are the one who implicitly claimed that Obamacare would bend the cost curve in premiums down. It's not my fault that in fact they bent up.

    So why type in Kaiser and then link the word Kaiser? Unless to deceive....
    you got me, winston. The reason I linked an article is because I didn't want anyone to click on the link. Not because that was also the article I pulled the chart I posted from, or because it was immediately there, or anything. I was secretly hoping nobody here had the ability to click a mouse... and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you kids and that darn dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    YOU are the one who implicitly claimed that Obamacare would bend the cost curve in premiums down. It's not my fault that in fact they bent up.
    And in my short term it has by 6%



    you got me, winston. The reason I linked an article is because I didn't want anyone to click on the link. Not because that was also the article I pulled the chart I posted from, or because it was immediately there, or anything. I was secretly hoping nobody here had the ability to click a mouse... and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you kids and that darn dog.

    I thought I was going to Kaiser not investors business daily.

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Short time span.





    So why type in Kaiser and then link the word Kaiser? Unless to deceive....
    I hate to tell you this Winston, but everything that has happened has fallen within my predictions. The market increased in the health sector due to the panic in needing to buy, but the health services sector fell into the red around my predicted time frame, the next point is going to be a major industry panic. This bill is going to dessimate the health sector.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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