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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's a horrid bill, and we are just starting to see the initial fallout. I'm tired of people excusing it, whining about people not liking it, and blaming the market for reacting to it.
    Yes, this terrifying initial fallout of paying 14 cents more for a crappy pizza. What's next, $120 more for a new F-150? Oh, wait, those guys have a decent union so they already have health insurance.

    What fallout? Health insurance premiums increasing.... less than they had been increasing already? Oh, you mean a handful of right-wing CEOs throwing a hissy fit because their guy didn't win.
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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, this terrifying initial fallout of paying 14 cents more for a crappy pizza. What's next, $120 more for a new F-150? Oh, wait, those guys have a decent union so they already have health insurance.

    What fallout? Health insurance premiums increasing.... less than they had been increasing already? Oh, you mean a handful of right-wing CEOs throwing a hissy fit because their guy didn't win.
    Insurance premiums are going up, employee plans are going up to the companies, this is only the beginning. If it makes you feel better that it's only 14 cents increase for one item(that is visible, not counting other cost increases) before the entire turd has started to smell then I don't know what to tell you Deuce. The bill isn't even fully implemented until 2016 and it is constantly able to be changed without congressional input through the NHS, these are initial increases. So, .14$ for a pizza, 120$ for a Ford, .30$ for a gallon of gas, it adds up.
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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Insurance premiums are going up, employee plans are going up to the companies, this is only the beginning. If it makes you feel better that it's only 14 cents increase for one item(that is visible, not counting other cost increases) before the entire turd has started to smell then I don't know what to tell you Deuce. The bill isn't even fully implemented until 2016 and it is constantly able to be changed without congressional input through the NHS, these are initial increases. So, .14$ for a pizza, 120$ for a Ford, .30$ for a gallon of gas, it adds up.
    The supposed 14 cent increase (actually closer to 5 cents) is in reponse to a section of the law that won't even go into effect until 2014. Schnatter is making a political statement -- not an economic statement.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Oh my.

    Read in Wal l Street Journal.......(as I remember)

    Dennys CEO pissed off, had "personal conversaion" with big mouth.....big mouth recants statements.
    CEO says there are sections of Franchise agreements to get loses from big mouth.

    Business down 70% at a few Dennys owned by another unrelated FL Franchisee. Phone ringing off hook with pissed off people.
    Big mouth a dead man to all his fellow Dennys owners.............Payback is a bitch.......

    I also watched a speech by Corp labor lawyer, says Employers that cut hours can get class action suit via section "510" of ERISA.
    More reading on my part to follow........

    VIV la AMERICA and the ACA!

    That or its GILLOTINE time! ;-)

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Insurance premiums are going up, employee plans are going up to the companies, this is only the beginning. If it makes you feel better that it's only 14 cents increase for one item(that is visible, not counting other cost increases) before the entire turd has started to smell then I don't know what to tell you Deuce. The bill isn't even fully implemented until 2016 and it is constantly able to be changed without congressional input through the NHS, these are initial increases. So, .14$ for a pizza, 120$ for a Ford, .30$ for a gallon of gas, it adds up.
    I'd take what we have now over:

    In 2008, the average annual premiums for
    employer-sponsored health insurance are
    $4,704 for single coverage and $12,680
    for family coverage, up about 5% from
    the 2007 average premiums.
    2
    Since 1999,
    average premiums for family coverage
    have increased 119% (Exhibit A). Average
    premiums for family coverage are lower for
    workers in small firms (3–199 workers)
    than for workers in large firms (200 or
    more workers). Premiums are higher
    in self-funded plans than fully insured
    plans for single and family coverage.
    Average premiums for HDHP/SOs are
    lower than the overall average for all plan
    types for both single and family coverage
    (Exhibit B).
    http://ehbs.kff.org/images/abstract/7791.pdf

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The supposed 14 cent increase (actually closer to 5 cents) is in reponse to a section of the law that won't even go into effect until 2014. Schnatter is making a political statement -- not an economic statement.
    That's only when they have to start paying for it, based on what they do in 2013... which is only 5-ish weeks away. Crazy concept, I know, but forethought and pre-planning is a good thing in business.
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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    That's only when they have to start paying for it, based on what they do in 2013... which is only 5-ish weeks away. Crazy concept, I know, but forethought and pre-planning is a good thing in business.
    No, it doesn't apply to 2013 employment. Papa John's doesn't have to start screwing its employees for a full year.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'd take what we have now over:

    In 2008, the average annual premiums for
    employer-sponsored health insurance are
    $4,704 for single coverage and $12,680
    for family coverage, up about 5% from
    the 2007 average premiums.
    2
    Since 1999,
    average premiums for family coverage
    have increased 119% (Exhibit A). Average
    premiums for family coverage are lower for
    workers in small firms (3–199 workers)
    than for workers in large firms (200 or
    more workers). Premiums are higher
    in self-funded plans than fully insured
    plans for single and family coverage.
    Average premiums for HDHP/SOs are
    lower than the overall average for all plan
    types for both single and family coverage
    (Exhibit B).
    http://ehbs.kff.org/images/abstract/7791.pdf
    None of the root causes have been solved, in fact it's been doubled down on. This law sucks, and will get worse. I've spoken at length in the past about why premiums have continued to balloon, most of the problems have been health insurance law, so the solution was to add the worst problems into mandate.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'd take what we have now over:

    In 2008, the average annual premiums for
    employer-sponsored health insurance are
    $4,704 for single coverage and $12,680
    for family coverage, up about 5% from
    the 2007 average premiums.
    2
    Since 1999,
    average premiums for family coverage
    have increased 119% (Exhibit A). Average
    premiums for family coverage are lower for
    workers in small firms (3–199 workers)
    than for workers in large firms (200 or
    more workers). Premiums are higher
    in self-funded plans than fully insured
    plans for single and family coverage.
    Average premiums for HDHP/SOs are
    lower than the overall average for all plan
    types for both single and family coverage
    (Exhibit B).
    http://ehbs.kff.org/images/abstract/7791.pdf
    Yup. So. When are they going to start going down, as Obama repeatedly promised?

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