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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    How about people stop going to these establishments that don't give two ****s about their employee's, or customers, and go to business's that at least try to treat every fair, and honestly. We'll see how long they keep these policy's in place.
    There isn't one company that won't do something in response to Obamacare. Most will probably not be open about it...but they will still do something. Either quietly reduce employment or employment hours and/or pass on the cost to consumers. Thats the way the buisness world works.
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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, we perfectly understand how our tax system distorts and screws up our healthcare market. That's why conservatives have been proposing to end that disparity and equalize the tax treatment of individuals and employers who purchase health insurance. You may recall that that was part of the Republican platform in 2008 and Barack Obama castigated Republicans as attacking employer-provided health insurance?

    There is no good reason why you should be tied to a job you hate because you fear losing your health insurance. It is a travesty that we have allowed an unintended consequence of wage controls from the 1940's to so mangle our healthcare market and make the system needlessly expensive and difficult for everyone.
    Absolutely, it is unfair that employees get tax free premiums, while the self employed do not.

    The other thing that would need to be equalized, then, would be the difference between individual and group insurance. You can't get group insurance without being a part of, well, a group.
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    If an employer wants to offset an employee's insurance purchase, then more power to them, but the individual should pay taxes on that benefit as though it was income.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There isn't one company that won't do something in response to Obamacare. Most will probably not be open about it...but they will still do something. Either quietly reduce employment or employment hours and/or pass on the cost to consumers. Thats the way the buisness world works.
    And that's a shame. If an employer cannot afford to pay for health insurance for employees, how on earth do people expect that individuals will be able to afford the premiums themselves? The real issue here is the cost of health insurance. I'd prefer single payer to keep costs down, but conservatives are opposed to that as well. It seems the only solution that makes the conservative population happy is no health insurance for lower-income families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    If an employer wants to offset an employee's insurance purchase, then more power to them, but the individual should pay taxes on that benefit as though it was income.
    Why is that? Do you think that employers will be happy paying taxes on the insurance premium income as well? Remember, for almost every payroll tax paid by employees, employers pay it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Why is that? Do you think that employers will be happy paying taxes on the insurance premium income as well? Remember, for almost every payroll tax paid by employees, employers pay it too.
    Because its income, just like any other bonus or perk you get through employment. Granted, my opinion is also that businesses should pay no income related taxes either.

    If the premium is 800 bucks a month, and the employer kicks in 400 of that, you end up paying 520 for insurance instead of 800 without it(400 out of pocket, 120 in taxes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Because its income, just like any other bonus or perk you get through employment. Granted, my opinion is also that businesses should pay no income related taxes either.
    Which businesses do you think should pay no income taxes? All businesses or just corporations? What is your reasoning?

    If the premium is 800 bucks a month, and the employer kicks in 400 of that, you end up paying 520 for insurance instead of 800 without it(400 out of pocket, 120 in taxes).
    So you are a supporter of higher taxes? Interesting as I thought that most conservatives supported lower taxes. Do you also support removing the beneficial tax treatment of investment-related income?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    Which businesses do you think should pay no income taxes? All businesses or just corporations? What is your reasoning?
    All of them. There is no point in taxing a business, because those taxes are passed onto the end consumer. If we only taxed individuals income, and their benefits as income, then the tax code would be much simpler.

    So you are a supporter of higher taxes? Interesting as I thought that most conservatives supported lower taxes. Do you also support removing the beneficial tax treatment of investment-related income?
    Its a support of a broadened tax base, so that means everyone pays. If all individuals paid income taxes, then you can reduce the rates overall, reduce deductions, and simplify the code while increasing revenues. If I could trade the long-term capital gains brackets for that, I would.

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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
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    You mean I might actually have to spend an extra .40 for an inedible hamburger? Oh the humanity? And all that just so people working for minimum wage can have health insurance? Oh, the humanity!
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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    IN THE NEWS:

    John Metz Denny's Obamacare Surcharge Stirs Big Mess For Restaurant Chain

    Don't expect to hear more about an Obamacare surcharge from Denny's franchisee John Metz.

    Denny's chief executive John Miller privately reached out to Metz to express his "disappointment" with the Florida franchisee's controversial statements about Obamacare, which sparked a wave of backlash for the national restaurant chain over the past few days. Metz released a statement Monday night expressing "regret" over his statements.

    "We recognize his right to speak on issues, but registered our disappointment that his comments have been interpreted as the company’s position," Miller said in an email to The Huffington Post.

    Miller is rushing to put out the fire sparked by Metz's controversial proposal to charge restaurant customers a 5 percent Obamacare fee. "Customers have two choices: They can either pay it and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server," Metz told HuffPost in an interview last week.


    Some Denny's franchisees have since dealt with angry customers, calls for a boycott and declining sales. A spokeswoman for Metz said he will not conduct more interviews.

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    Metz, whose RREMC Restaurants owns more than 30 Denny's locations, said in a statement, "We regret that the statements we made may have been interpreted as representative of the Denny’s brand or of other franchisees, which they are not. Our stores do not have a 5 percent surcharge. Despite recent media coverage, RREMC Restaurants is committed to exploring viable and effective ways to deal with the changing economic climate, including the implementation of The Affordable Care Act. We have always been and will continue to be 100 percent dedicated to our employees and customers and will work tirelessly to find solutions that are in their best interests. It is our intention is to fully comply with the law."
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    John Metz Denny's Obamacare Surcharge Stirs Big Mess For Restaurant Chain
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