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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think that liberals do understand this perfectly well. It's conservatives who don't seem to understand that, because health insurance is deductible to the employer and not for individuals, it is a better deal for employees to get insurance through the employer and take less pay in exchange.
    No, we perfectly understand how our tax system distorts and screws up our healthcare market. That's why conservatives have been proposing to end that disparity and equalize the tax treatment of individuals and employers who purchase health insurance. You may recall that that was part of the Republican platform in 2008 and Barack Obama castigated Republicans as attacking employer-provided health insurance?

    There is no good reason why you should be tied to a job you hate because you fear losing your health insurance. It is a travesty that we have allowed an unintended consequence of wage controls from the 1940's to so mangle our healthcare market and make the system needlessly expensive and difficult for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, we perfectly understand how our tax system distorts and screws up our healthcare market. That's why conservatives have been proposing to end that disparity and equalize the tax treatment of individuals and employers who purchase health insurance. You may recall that that was part of the Republican platform in 2008 and Barack Obama castigated Republicans as attacking employer-provided health insurance?

    There is no good reason why you should be tied to a job you hate because you fear losing your health insurance. It is a travesty that we have allowed an unintended consequence of wage controls from the 1940's to so mangle our healthcare market and make the system needlessly expensive and difficult for everyone.
    I don't think Adam recalls what he had for dinner last night.
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    And were shown to be wrong by evidence that was provided in the form of a definition.
    And your definition was limited and took you a few steps in the debate. Sadly for you, your own definitions clearly indicate there are differences between a VENTURE capitalist and a VULTURE capitalist. Your own definitions prove you wrong. Your own self selected cherry picked definitions show that you do not have a leg to stand upon.

    You lost right there with your own posts.

    But in the effort to teach and instruct you as to your error I went much further in building a solid case against your limited efforts.


    It was then met and surpassed by other definitions.

    It was then surpassed by video of prominent Republicans using and explaining the term.

    It was then surpassed by prize winning economists explaining the terms and issue here.

    And all you have is a never ending loop of the same thirty seconds of self justification and attack.
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    After WWII most industrialized nations provided healthcare to all their people, and they selected single payer as the model. The US decided employers would provide the healthcare ins. Now employers continually STOP providing health ins. because it cost too much and because of competitive pressures, while death panels at ins. companies refuse to cover individuals (who have no bargaining power) with pre-existing conditions and drop paying customers who get sick and start costing them too much money. We NEED reform, reforms that resemble a national health plan, one that works for everyone, not one where the ins. co. can decide who lives and who has to die. Their profit incentive is a bad conflict of interest, and the ins. co. have already shown their failure in that regard.

    Ever since World War II, the cornerstone of U.S. health care finance has been employer-based insurance. Today such insurance still covers approximately 55 percent of the population, but with declining coverage and loss of community rating, its role as quasi-social insurance has greatly eroded in recent decades. Competitive pressures on U.S. firms have increased as a result of antitrust actions, deregulation of many industries, and the inroads of foreign competition. Many fewer U.S. firms now enjoy steady monopoly profits that they can draw on to subsidize health insurance for their workers.

    For example, forty years ago the largest private employer was AT&T, a regulated monopoly with guaranteed profits. If health insurance premiums rose, they could easily be passed on to telephone subscribers. Moreover, AT&T was under no pressure to force older and sicker workers to pay more than their peers to compensate for their higher use of care. Today the largest private employer is Wal-Mart, which despite its size faces intense competition daily from a host of other retail outlets. When they offer health insurance, it must come out of their workers’ wages; for minimum-wage employees, this is not possible, so it often will mean loss of jobs.
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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, we perfectly understand how our tax system distorts and screws up our healthcare market. That's why conservatives have been proposing to end that disparity and equalize the tax treatment of individuals and employers who purchase health insurance. You may recall that that was part of the Republican platform in 2008 and Barack Obama castigated Republicans as attacking employer-provided health insurance?

    There is no good reason why you should be tied to a job you hate because you fear losing your health insurance. It is a travesty that we have allowed an unintended consequence of wage controls from the 1940's to so mangle our healthcare market and make the system needlessly expensive and difficult for everyone.
    I certainly remember what old man McCain was proposing during the election, and it wasn't a bad proposal, but I doubt very much he would have pursued it if he'd won. Republicans had no interest in reforming health care. Sort of like when the proposed Obamacare as a counterpoint to Hillarycare. Remember that?

    Fortunately with ACA employees are no longer stuck in a job because of health insurance. Now they can't be turned down for preexisting conditions if there's a gap in coverage and they can buy affordable insurance on an exchange. Not the best system, but a major improvement over what we've had.
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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I certainly remember what old man McCain was proposing during the election, and it wasn't a bad proposal, but I doubt very much he would have pursued it if he'd won. Republicans had no interest in reforming health care. Sort of like when the proposed Obamacare as a counterpoint to Hillarycare. Remember that?

    Fortunately with ACA employees are no longer stuck in a job because of health insurance. Now they can't be turned down for preexisting conditions if there's a gap in coverage and they can buy affordable insurance on an exchange. Not the best system, but a major improvement over what we've had.
    What if it's not? I mean how long, and how much misery will it take when it fails for progressives to admit it was a mistake? How many will die for your pipe dream?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What if it's not? I mean how long, and how much misery will it take when it fails for progressives to admit it was a mistake? How many will die for your pipe dream?
    So, you're saying not having health care because of a pre-exisitng condition is a better situation than having health care even though you have a pre-existing condition? Sorry, but your logic is failing there.

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    Oh man! I think I teardrop just hit my keyboard because individuals will have to pay slightly more on their eggs over My Hammy for individuals to receive medical care.
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Did the same guy provide all of his workers better benefits and more pay and reduce the cost of his food by 5% when he got a tax cut under bush?

    Yea, didn't think so. Funny, when you give people a tax cut, that's more money that they get because they're amazing, when you bump their cost of doing business by a small amount, the only way to cope is to take it out on their employees by gaming the system.
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