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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian
    Isn't that interesting, considering it is called the Patient Protection and AFFORDABLE CARE Act?
    Can't argue with that logic. I guess I'm not considered a patriot by Dubya's standards - you know, me being against the PATRIOT Act and all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale
    That's the crux, isn't it? You genuinely don't think people will pour themselves into a profession unless their livelihood is tied to it. There's no reason why it has to be. There's a lot more that we get out of our occupations than simply financial remuneration. We have pride and purpose. We have a reason to get out of bed in the morning. Everybody needs to be good at something.
    Did you ever imagine that "pride and purpose" is a form of compensation? Do you think that I come home as an accountant with some strong sense of self that I helped a business with their tax needs? Do you think that a corporate lawyer gets some personal joy from a job well done at the faceless multinational company he represents?

    Certain jobs need to pay more money - not just because of the education, training, and financially/statistically measurable factors involved. Hell, I'd love to be a teacher and make a comparative salary. People think that I'm the "leader of generations". I can do no wrong. I'm dedicating myself and my life to kids. More than that blood-sucking beancounter, or that heartless corporate prick.

    So yeah...eventually the sentimental hokum and socially appeasing crap has to take a back seat to simple economics and statistical requirements.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why would a misfiled $700 be any better under a single payer plan? Could it be that it would be the government that picked up the waste of that rather than you having to fight it?
    Single payor cuts out all the bean counters in the middle, and all the riff-raff that take money out of the system, rather than put into it, such as people who make sure you have a "referral" or decide which medications you can have, and which medications you cannot have, instead of the treating physicians.

    You have so many parasitic bean counters anymore, that doctors cannot do the best they can because of the parasite hangers on in the world of medical/dental and ancillary health care...that's why.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit
    Single payor cuts out all the bean counters in the middle, and all the riff-raff that take money out of the system, rather than put into it, such as people who make sure you have a "referral" or decide which medications you can have, and which medications you cannot have, instead of the treating physicians.

    You have so many parasitic bean counters anymore, that doctors cannot do the best they can because of the parasite hangers on in the world of medical/dental and ancillary health care...that's why.
    Please continue. I'm blushing.

    There is value added with the cogs in the middle. They exist for protection, accuracy, and efficiency. America isn't the Smurf village. Sickly Smurf can't just go to Doctor Smurf, tell him his ouchies, and expect Doctor Smurf to simply heal him and send him home happy. That's fantasy. There's some red tape that's surely able to be cut, but you're oversimplifying it to an impossible level.

    You have so many parasitic bean counters anymore, that doctors cannot do the best they can because of the parasite hangers on in the world of medical/dental and ancillary health care...that's why.
    Yeah, it's never the patient's fault. I'll go find someone in legal and inform them of this. They're a humorless bunch. They could use a laugh.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I agree with you, but we have to be careful with these comparisons. A heart attack is not necessarily like totaling a car. A heart attack might be like the engine failing in a 1980 Ferrari Mondial after you drove it without ever changing the oil (comparison: an obese 60-year old who has eaten **** food all his life and never exercised). Will car insurance will replace the engine of your 1980 Ferrari Mondial? How about if you have wrecked countless cars in the past, had your license suspended, and visibly neglect your vehicle's maintenance needs? Are you an innocent victim of something going wrong? Should insurance come to your rescue and make sure you can drive your 1980 Ferrari for as long as is technologically possible?

    Another example: Yes the patient should pay to get a cut stitched, but if s/he has already spent their out of pocket maximum treating their inflammatory bowel disease, they end up not having to pay for even the minor things like cut-stitching. Or say a person needed a cut stitched every week for a year, that would end up all getting covered. A lot of people who are covered by some form of "insurance" or another already know on January 1st that they are going to blow past their annual out-of-pocket maximum for the year, and I've even heard some people say they wish they could just cut a check for $2,500 (or whatever theirs annual maximum is) to their insurance company and just have them cover everything for the rest of the year so that they don't have to keep track of the individual bills.

    Those who should be most protected by health insurance are the relatively young and healthy who have done all the right things but have been truly unlucky. Accident or rare illness. OTOH, perhaps heart attacks and strokes in fat 60+ year olds should not be covered by ANYTHING. Because at that point, it's not insurance. It's just financial idiocy. Really, it's just welfare at that point. Welfare of the most unaffordable kind.
    We could appoint a death panel to tell the 60 something who didn't take care of himself, "Sorry, Charlie, but you're like a 20 year old Ferrari with no oil changes for the past decade, and so you'll just have to take your lumps. That would save a pile of money for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Isn't that interesting, considering it is called the Patient Protection and AFFORDABLE CARE Act?
    The government frequently names actions the opposite of their actual results. Take the "Patriot Act" as another example.
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Please continue. I'm blushing.

    There is value added with the cogs in the middle. They exist for protection, accuracy, and efficiency. America isn't the Smurf village. Sickly Smurf can't just go to Doctor Smurf, tell him his ouchies, and expect Doctor Smurf to simply heal him and send him home happy. That's fantasy. There's some red tape that's surely able to be cut, but you're oversimplifying it to an impossible level.



    Yeah, it's never the patient's fault. I'll go find someone in legal and inform them of this. They're a humorless bunch. They could use a laugh.
    Depends on the doctor and it depends on the patient. You are supposed to be a team with your doctor. If you don't like or suspect that your doctor isn't doing his best; find another one.

    We here in the USA, after being in the health field for loads of years, benefit from the best and suffer with the worst that medicine has to offer. That is, if you can afford it.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ummm ... there was no national healthcare then ... or social security ... or medicare ... or medicade.

    The Great Depression was the result of years of Republican policies.
    Really? Which policies were those, exactly?

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit
    Depends on the doctor and it depends on the patient. You are supposed to be a team with your doctor. If you don't like or suspect that your doctor isn't doing his best; find another one.
    America, and American health care, doesn't exist and perpetuate based on "supposed to". Doctors, as a whole, are self-serving and opportunistic. I'm painfully reminded of this on a daily basis, with weekend breaks. Fortunately, I get to go deal with them again tomorrow. Always a pleasure.

    Another problem exists when patients think that they're smarter than their doctors. You've seen those commercials for some random FDA-untested-but-buy-it-anyway pharmaceutical. Do you want a doctor doing YOUR job? There is a distinct and lengthy chain of command involved between a person going in to see a doctor and a doctor getting paid for services rendered. It could use some reform, but it sounds as if you're just willing to completely overhaul the system, which would be quite bad.

    We here in the USA, after being in the health field for loads of years, benefit from the best and suffer with the worst that medicine has to offer. That is, if you can afford it.
    America also bears the cost and flips the bill on R&D that other countries are relieved from spending. The first thing I would do, if given the power, to alleviate the health care suffering involves serious head-rattling over at the FDA. Between the world piggybacking on Big Pharm and the FDA Nazis putting America's collective balls in a vice, there's definitely a reason why we're getting bent over in health care, but not because of the pie-in-the-sky arguments that you're bringing up.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We could appoint a death panel to tell the 60 something who didn't take care of himself, "Sorry, Charlie, but you're like a 20 year old Ferrari with no oil changes for the past decade, and so you'll just have to take your lumps. That would save a pile of money for sure.

    Oh, but that has already been thought of....

    President Obama’s ACA established the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), a 15-member panel of unelected federal employees; its members to be appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. The law does not require the IPAB to be bi-partisan in structure, as is required for almost all other independent agencies. Its mission is specific – to restrict payments to doctors and hospitals in order to achieve a reduction in Medicare spending beneath a specified cap.

    The reality is that the IPAB represents an unprecedented shift of power from individual Americans and their families to a centralized authority, a controlling Board of political appointees that is virtually unaccountable, and destined to become President Obama’s version of the NICE rationing board in Britain’s socialized medical system, the National Health Service.

    IPAB: President Obama's NICE Way To Ration Care To Seniors - Forbes

    Oh boy! let the savings begin....Oh and BTW, be sure to give your grandmother, or cherished Aunt an extra long hug this Thursday for Thanksgiving....

    The government frequently names actions the opposite of their actual results. Take the "Patriot Act" as another example.
    Yeah, like Single Payer.....
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

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    Oh, but that has already been thought of....




    Oh boy! let the savings begin....Oh and BTW, be sure to give your grandmother, or cherished Aunt an extra long hug this Thursday for Thanksgiving....



    Yeah, like Single Payer.....
    Eh, my Mom was in such dire straits when she passed, I wished there was a death panel. No hope of recovery and she suffered all the way down.

    Knowing that, as her daughter, likely I will suffer a similar fate. It's horrible. Yeah, the slippery slope, but cats and dogs get more consideration.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Uzidoesit View Post
    Eh, my Mom was in such dire straits when she passed, I wished there was a death panel. No hope of recovery and she suffered all the way down.

    Knowing that, as her daughter, likely I will suffer a similar fate. It's horrible. Yeah, the slippery slope, but cats and dogs get more consideration.

    So because your mom, which I am sorry to hear, had a tough time, everyone should have that decision removed from them?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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