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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

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    I've asked this question before on this forum, and on others as well, and never once got a positive answer. I've had several say "no", and some "No (bleep!)ing way", but no yes or even maybe:

    Some of the members of this forum live in Canada and other nations that have universal health care. Would any of you trade your health care system for that of the United States?

    Anyone... anyone???
    What a ridiculous question.
    Ridiculous... or inconvenient?
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

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    Ridiculous... or inconvenient?

    Ridiculous....Canada's Single payer system is in deep trouble with up coming baby boomers hitting the system. They are starting to move back toward a more market based system from what I have heard...

    Single-payer health care, once lauded by President Barack Obama for its ability to keep health care expenditures down by rationing care, has become prohibitively expensive and inefficient in Canada, according to a new study.

    A 2011 report by the Fraser Institute concluded that Canada’s health care system is spending at an unsustainable rate. Six of ten Canadian provinces are on track to spend half of their revenues on health care, according to the institute.

    “We conclude that Canada’s health system produces rates of growth in health spending that are not sustainable solely through redistributive public financing,” the report concluded.



    Read more: Report: Canadian health care spending unsustainable | The Daily Caller
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

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    Ridiculous....Canada's Single payer system is in deep trouble with up coming baby boomers hitting the system. They are starting to move back toward a more market based system from what I have heard...
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Just because of this we're going to go eat at the Country Club rather than Dennys.
    It was quite delicious.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Not all Americans would have that option, which is why we are in this mess. Further, without Obamacare, people with pre-existing conditions would not be able to buy insurance at any price.
    Not true, there are plenty of companies that issue high risk plans and the scope of cost is anywhere from 5% more to higher. I know as I was looking into carrying a few high risk companies when I sold. Group policies already had to include the entire full time staff so that was another route. Now insurance is more expensive and as of last number roll out less people had it.
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Hospital ER is not government power. Government doesn't tell you how to do it. It merely says that you can't let people die in the streets.



    Okay. In your world, if a driver is thrown from his car and loses his wallet with his insurance, he can now be denied life savings treatment for reasons entirely out of his control. Since the hospital no longer has to provide life saving healthcare and cannot find his insurance, they can now let him die in the street. Tell me how this is in any way fair to the guy who otherwise was responsible for his own survival.

    It's incredibly scary how some people are openly rejecting Reagan and put themselves on the right. Reagan explicitly argued a civil society does not let people die in the streets. Now we are seeing more and more people at least here openly advocated to let people die in the streets.
    Well, it was mighty nice of Reagan to demand that one party provide a service to a second party regardless of that second partys ability to compensate them for their efforts. But that is not how a free society operates. My point was simply that it is not the doctors obligation to treat me any more than it is the grocers obligation to feed me, the carpeters obligation to build me a home, the tailors obligation to cloth me, or the teachers obligation to teach me. Each of those are services rendered by other free and independent individuals who have taken the time to learn a skill I lack yet make it available to me in ezxchange for something of equal value. I have no "right" to their services no matter what a big hearted politician may think or feel to the contrary.



    Do you work in a hospital ER?
    No. But that doesnt preclude me from speaking out in defense of the individual against the power of the state. That is, after all, what is really at issue here when you strip away all the emotionalism.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Not true, there are plenty of companies that issue high risk plans and the scope of cost is anywhere from 5% more to higher. I know as I was looking into carrying a few high risk companies when I sold. Group policies already had to include the entire full time staff so that was another route. Now insurance is more expensive and as of last number roll out less people had it.
    Can you provide some links to high risk plans charging just 5% more than regular premiums, or anything even close? I doubt it.
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ridiculous....Canada's Single payer system is in deep trouble with up coming baby boomers hitting the system. They are starting to move back toward a more market based system from what I have heard...
    Our multiple payer system is in deep trouble as well, and far more expensive than is Canada's system. But, the issue was satisfaction (relative that is). Who are the Canadians who would trade their system for one like ours?
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    re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

    What we really need to do is to provide a catastrophic care package that applies to everyone. That way, no one would actually need health insurance. The patient woulld have an incentive to shop around and to cut costs, as he'd be the one paying the bills. Employers would have no need to play games with hours and so on to avoid the exorbitant costs of health insurance.

    If the cost of said package, and if the deductible, were to be lower for people who keep themselves physically fit, then we'd all have an incentive to take better care of ourselves.

    Further, the people who overburden the system would be paying the most for it.

    Here are some interesting stats on the cost of health care, and at least one big reason for it:

    • Preventable illness makes up approximately 80% of the burden of illness and 90% of all healthcare costs.



    • Preventable illnesses account for eight of the nine leading categories of death.


    • The United States spends more on health care than any other industrialized nation in the world and yet, in many respects, it's citizens are not the healthiest. (2)


    • More than one-quarter of children without health insurance coverage had no usual source of health care in 1997, compared with 4 percent of children with health insurance. (4)
    • Uninsured children were nearly three times as likely as those with health insurance to be without a recent doctor's visit in 1997. (4)



    • The US healthcare system is the most expensive of systems, outstripping by over half again the health care expenditures of any other country. (2)
    90% of all health care costs from preventable illnesses is a good reason to incentivise good health practices, don't you think?
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Well, it was mighty nice of Reagan to demand that one party provide a service to a second party regardless of that second partys ability to compensate them for their efforts. But that is not how a free society operates. My point was simply that it is not the doctors obligation to treat me any more than it is the grocers obligation to feed me, the carpeters obligation to build me a home, the tailors obligation to cloth me, or the teachers obligation to teach me. Each of those are services rendered by other free and independent individuals who have taken the time to learn a skill I lack yet make it available to me in ezxchange for something of equal value. I have no "right" to their services no matter what a big hearted politician may think or feel to the contrary.
    Why are you in the US if you feel this way? Wouldn't Somalia be a better place for you? Of course there is no right. But as a society we feel, well, not you, that we should not leave people to die in the streets. You clearly feel that is an acceptable or even good way of running society. A civilized society outside of your view, does not simply let people die because of bad luck. Furthermore, in my example, the patient actually is entitled to life saving treatment as he paid for insurance. But under your framework, because his wallet was lost, the hospital can freely let him die in the street.

    No. But that doesnt preclude me from speaking out in defense of the individual against the power of the state. That is, after all, what is really at issue here when you strip away all the emotionalism.
    But you seem to have a problem with any form of power of the state. So much so that you advocate for letting people die in the streets simply because they don't have their insurance cards on them.
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