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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

    Quote Originally Posted by hikari View Post
    You assume I know nothing of Canada, I would trade the healthcare system we have for the Canadian one in a heartbeat. In fact, I would probably rather live there, too bad the sort of work I do is much worse there due to climate.
    Well, they heartily disagree with you. They have to wait months on end for badly-needed procedures you can get in the U.S. tomorrow.

    In British Columbia, they have only five MRI machines. In fact, Pittsburgh, PA, has more MRI machines than all of Canada.

    http://www.bcliving.ca/health/mri-sc...ate-mri-clinic

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That is where Private Charity needs to step in and help make these people whole again. It's also why people need to be working to achieve sufficient education and training where they can get a job that provides health insurance.



    Very simple answer to that - Stop requiring emergency medical centers to provide treatment for people who can't pay or who have proven an unwillingness to pay bills in the past.



    It's not a matter or More or Less. It's simply a matter of which pocket we're pulling the bills from.
    We have a philosophical disagreement about the right to healthcare and have stated our positions, Tigger. I'll leave it there.

    However, getting employers out of the insurance business should be a natural inclination of business owners. It takes up money and human resources. Large corporations have immense infrastructures to deal with it. Allowing them to redeploy those funds, could be of great benefit to their companies.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    We have a philosophical disagreement about the right to healthcare and have stated our positions, Tigger. I'll leave it there.
    Healthcare is a service provided by people, and therefore can not be a right.

    However, getting employers out of the insurance business should be a natural inclination of business owners. It takes up money and human resources. Large corporations have immense infrastructures to deal with it. Allowing them to redeploy those funds, could be of great benefit to their companies.
    Getting it out of their hands wouldn't necessarily mean put it in the hands of the government.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Anyone who deliberately ignores this isn't serious about costs.

    Meaning that Henrin and Zimmer for starters aren't really looking for an honest discussion.

    An honest discussion on healthcare has to address the status quo and the alternative. Complaining about a proposed solution while never addressing the existing system is pretty dishonest. Effectively, those who never address the status quo are implicitly arguing that it is right and just to continue the brazen theft of premiums. Apparently it's wrong to redistribute money via taxation, but it's okay to redistribute healthcare via theft.

    Dishonestly runs deep in many people here.
    What are you talking about? Just because I didn't put up a plan means that I'm being dishonest? I will deal with things my way and just because I do that does not mean I'm being dishonest.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I've said, since the moment this legislation started looking like a done deal in this format, that this was the end game plan for Democrats. Single Payer was having trouble actually getting support enough to get even moderate blue dog democrats on board, let alone Republicans. It was going to need a better supporting argument....so get your "health care reform" done AND do it in such a way that the obvious, common sense response to it would end up simply facilitating that additional supporting argument you need.
    Exactly. I love how they denied it though and now they are admitting it load and proud. There is no end game! That is just a conspiracy theory! Yeah, because liberals haven't pulled this **** before. Right....

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Healthcare is a service provided by people, and therefore can not be a right.
    Good point. Well put.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    We have a philosophical disagreement about the right to healthcare and have stated our positions, Tigger. I'll leave it there.
    That's fine. We can agree to disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    However, getting employers out of the insurance business should be a natural inclination of business owners. It takes up money and human resources. Large corporations have immense infrastructures to deal with it. Allowing them to redeploy those funds, could be of great benefit to their companies.
    Yes and no. In any Unionized environment, the Union is going to want that money which was formerly going to healthcare to be spent on either salary or other benefits for the employee, not simply rolled into profits. If an employer is spending $3500 now on the healthcare premium, the employees are going to want some or all of that back in another form.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I would welcome single payer and it's lower costs. You all keep saying we all pay so why not pay less?
    A good idea. Problem 1 is the government has never done anything cheaper or better. Check out the food for fuel program as a recent example. Problem 2 is the government has no money. There is not a company in the US that is as broke as the government and still in business. Problem 3 is that the whole program is based on lies, unless you can make yourself believe that 20 million more people can receive more coverage, insurance companies can be forced to fund kids on their parents policies till they are 26 and be forced to take on customers that will incur hundreds of thousands of dollars of costs in the first year for the same or less than the current price, and that we can save enough money by finding waste in a government health program where no one has been able to find the waste for 50 years to cover all of this

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Healthcare is a service provided by people, and therefore can not be a right.



    Getting it out of their hands wouldn't necessarily mean put it in the hands of the government.
    Who's hands then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's fine. We can agree to disagree.



    Yes and no. In any Unionized environment, the Union is going to want that money which was formerly going to healthcare to be spent on either salary or other benefits for the employee, not simply rolled into profits. If an employer is spending $3500 now on the healthcare premium, the employees are going to want some or all of that back in another form.
    You are right, the reason healthcare is even in the workplace is because it was meant as additional compensation beyond wages. It's a negotiated benefit, as I understand it. That will have to be mitigated, maybe it can be phased out or split. It is considered part of any compensation package, even outside of unions. But it is still worthwhile to pursue this to reduce the burden on business owners. Further, relieving them of human, and in the case of large corporations, technological costs of administrating their employee's health benefits, would be be a win for them.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    BS!
    Eliminate the ER mandate.
    Hell you could greatly reduce cost by limiting the function ER now serves.
    That is one way to take care of it.
    There you go, just turn people away from the ER and let them get well or die. We'd save a few bucks, that way, but still have the most expensive healthcare system on Earth. We'd also be giving natural selection a helping hand and thus strengthen the herd.
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