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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The real question is whether or not I am willing to pay a 5% surcharge at Dennys so that everyone in the U.S. gets healthcare? The answer is a resounding yes.
    what makes you think that Obamacare means everyone in the US gets' healthcare?

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    I don't understand. One cutting hours to 30 so he doesn't have to pay for them means they can buy in the subsidized healthcare marketplace in the future and can qualify for more government assistance. Charging 5% more than all other Denny's is because why now?
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    In zee teeth. No free lunch boxes.

    Parasite Nation comes with costs... fewer jobs... hidden taxes... everywhere.

    But it's freeeeeeeeeee! Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Wrong numb nuts. It's Aints free.
    Not that I would eat at Denny's, but if I did I would stop eating there now. **** Denny's.










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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Did the same guy provide all of his workers better benefits and more pay and reduce the cost of his food by 5% when he got a tax cut under bush?

    Yea, didn't think so. Funny, when you give people a tax cut, that's more money that they get because they're amazing, when you bump their cost of doing business by a small amount, the only way to cope is to take it out on their employees by gaming the system.
    Is that how it was supposed to work?

    Yea, didn't think so. Funny, how individuals even exist that think the money a person earns isn't theirs.




    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    How about people stop going to these establishments that don't give two ****s about their employee's, or customers, and go to business's that at least try to treat every fair, and honestly. We'll see how long they keep these policy's in place.
    iLOL
    Anoint gonna happen.
    But you will continue to see similar accounts of this happening.
    The cost always gets passed on to the consumer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I know how the market works, and I know that people not going to their places of business will make them change their tude.
    Well, by this time next year, we should be able to tell if you are right or wrong about this specific situation.




    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    FWIW I find it outrageous that my health should be tied to being employed and think there should be options outside of employer-sponsored plans that are actually realistic. Then again, I support a single payer system.
    FWIW I find it outrageous that anybody's health care should be tied to anything but there own efforts and ability.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Which includes me. Though interestingly enough I've never had a problem getting insurance, even when I DID pay for it 100% myself.

    Healthcare is NOT a Right; regardless of what you might think, believe, or want it to be. It never has been and never should be.
    I was going to comment on just that issue, but Tigger, you beat me to it.

    Even in an employer-provided healthcare scenario, the majority of carriers had a 1yr wait for employees. Once the year was up, and they were signed up for insurance and paying for it during that time, than the medical issue was covered. That is not "denied coverage", but "delayed coverage".

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The up side to this is that it will give impetus to single payer, which is the best solution to our health care problems.
    No it is not.
    Paying your own way is the best solution over all others.


    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What is there to admit? It couldn't possibly be any clearer that single payer is the way to go. There are more than 30 countries that have single payer and every single one of them achieves much lower costs for similar results. Duh.
    Propaganda.





    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Further, without Obamacare, people with pre-existing conditions would not be able to buy insurance at any price.
    Preexisting conditions?
    An insurer shouldn't have to, as in be forced, to cover such. That is ridiculous.
    You don't go and get auto insurance after the fact of an accident and expect the company to cover it, do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    There are millions of people who thought they had it all handled too, who now find themselves in your loss column.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
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    No one should die for the inability to pay for healthcare.
    That is called life. Stealing from the efforts of others to better another's lot in life is wrong. It is theft and should not be tolerated by anybody.





    Quote Originally Posted by hikari View Post
    We just need to get a proper single payer system already
    No we don't.
    We need a system where all provide for their own needs.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Consider: Federal spending is about 21% of the GDP, while medical costs are about 17%, but...

    7% goes to Medicare and 2% to Medicaid, both part of the 21% federal spending. Take that out, and you have 12% being spent by the federal government, while 17% is spent on health care. Health care costs more than the entire federal bureaucracy!
    That is a great argument for the Government to get out of the business of providing for such.






    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Yes in deed. This is what happened to me and my busienss. People stopped coming, couldn't afford it any more, and my employees got unemployment, so did I after closing, the store is still empty but I understand the homeless squat there so I guess you would find that desirable. The traffic I lost helped two neighboring businesses close, the landlord had the center foreclosed on - guess the bank owns it now. Yes in deed the lefts true colors shining through. I use to pay our government about $60k a year in payroll taxes alone - they get jack now because I get zero dollars. I'm fortunate to have squirreled away enough not to be homeless myself, I prepared for it and am fine. I feel really bad for those who got a year of unemployment and still didn't find work - they could care less about health insurance they just want a pay check.
    Am I the only one who noticed Cal wasn't prepared after his business closed (my condolences for that, by the way) and had to rely on a social government program for assistance?
    What?

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is a great argument for the Government to get out of the business of providing for such.

    I suppose it is if you blame the high costs on the government.
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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's true.

    It should have been a single payer universal care system IF the government was getting into the insurance business, rather than giving insurance companies a cut as pointless middlemen. Nor should any exceptions have been allowed.

    Financing it should have been through an additional payroll deduction tax, matched by ALL employers, with a value added surcharge import tax (tariff) to address offshoring and to make in unviable to avoid the tax by shifting production offshore.

    In addition, the government should then also have gotten directly into health care providing, including breaking the AMA's monopoly (and limiting) licensing and education in the medical field - allowing more specific licensing and certification to more exact skills - thus lesser educational time requirements. To expand the number of such professionals, the government would offer paying education in return for an economic commitment to work at living - but reduced wages - for a few years while developing the person's skills - along an appreticeship program.

    The government also should set up "assembly line" type medical facilities for known typical, but highly costly, treatments - such as heart surgery - where the assembly line would maximize expertise and minimize costs.

    Obviously the total monopoly exceptions to big pharma should be eliminated for them to have to follow the same anti-trust laws and cap profits for unique lifesaving drugs and equipment.

    ObamaCare is a model for political corruption and bribery, with the government able to and actually doing granting exemptions to super rich comporations (1200 so far) as one example, plus of course bribery by insurance companies to get on the approval list too. I do not see ObamaCare as better than nothing, but worse than what was.

    Certain provisions, such as pre-existing conditions, raising the age by which a person could still stay on family insurance etc - all could be done merely by national insurance regulation standards.

    Finally, I see ObamaCare as basically transferring indigent care from property taxes for residences and business real estate and property (thus inherently a progressive tax as the wealth have more real estate and property) - to instead be paid for by working folks.

    ObamaCare is NOT universal healthcare and is, in my opinion, a mass of chaos and grossly inviting - if not requiring - massive political corruption.

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    Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I suppose it is if you blame the high costs on the government.
    Not at all.
    It is a great argument period because the Government's job its to govern, not to provide for it's citizens healthcare.

    And as you pointed out, it is expensive.

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