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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He didn't have to mention it. He has had cuts on the table for awhile.
    For example?

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which is one reason why the GOP is so out of touch with voters.
    If you beleive polls, voters back republican tax plans, and polls prior to the election indicated voters agreed more with republicans on the economy.

    Gallup Fiscal Cliff Poll: Republicans Could Win On Taxes - Business Insider

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    For example?
    WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama's budget proposal offers lawmakers a long list of cuts to reach spending levels both sides agreed to earlier, meeting a bipartisan goal for limiting spending but prompting howls of protest from interest groups.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...918859962.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/us...d-on-jobs.html

    Obama budget to cut deficit by $1.1 trillion | Reuters

    Just the first three links on a search.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Obama's brand of "making concessions" means everyone doing what he wants. Go read Woodward's book, it explains why we are where we are on the fiscal road.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama's budget proposal offers lawmakers a long list of cuts to reach spending levels both sides agreed to earlier, meeting a bipartisan goal for limiting spending but prompting howls of protest from interest groups.

    Proposed Spending Cuts Trigger Complaints - WSJ.com

    Military Cuts and Tax Plan Are Central to Budget Proposal - NYTimes.com

    Obama budget to cut deficit by $1.1 trillion | Reuters

    Just the first three links on a search.
    Misleading. His budget increased spending, from 3.6 trillion to 5.8 trillion. Even the Republicans proposed increasing spending. No one is cutting.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/tables.pdf

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama's budget proposal offers lawmakers a long list of cuts to reach spending levels both sides agreed to earlier, meeting a bipartisan goal for limiting spending but prompting howls of protest from interest groups.

    Proposed Spending Cuts Trigger Complaints - WSJ.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/us...d-on-jobs.html

    Obama budget to cut deficit by $1.1 trillion | Reuters

    Just the first three links on a search.
    Article 1, and 3 the same, behind a pay wall. Article 2 states that Obama's proposal is to cut military funding and raise taxes on the rich, while increasing spending on other programs.

    Article 2 is typical Obama. I'm going to save money by cutting things I don't like, just so I can spend it elsewhere that I do like, but hey, that's spending cuts!

    If either side wants to be "real", freeze spending @ 2008 levels, and increase taxes by 10% across the board.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Misleading. His budget increased spending, from 3.6 trillion to 5.8 trillion. Even the Republicans proposed increasing spending. No one is cutting.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/tables.pdf
    Then tell your representative to do so.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That sounds reasonable in theory, but it is not entirely true. We've actually been dialing back the help we give people in need and cutting taxes on the wealthy for sometime. Linked a Standford study for someone the other day that said the very movement is why we have more poor today, hurting us in all kinds of ways. So, if that study is accurate, it would be more the breaks we've given the wealthy, and that the poor have been taking it n the chin for awhile.
    Again you ignore what I said, has it been only the top 5% that pays nearly 60% of all taxes, that are responsible for putting us 16 trillion dollars in debt ?? A simple yes or no ..

    Seeing we spend about 450 billion a year in welfare, in my opinion that answer is no. If that is true, then again I’ll ask .. Why should those that help put us 16 trillion dollars in debt not help us get out of it ?

    If we can raise the taxes on those top 5%, to help get us out of our debt problem, what is wrong with raising the taxes on the middle class that were also cut.

    Now one of your arguments is that people in the upper incomes did pretty well during Clintons years, but didn’t the middle class do pretty well also?

    Seeing this debt is America’s problem, shouldn’t everyone be expected to help take care of it? I’ve often heard liberals like yourself bragging about the Clinton years …. So here is your chance to go back to them. For everyone not just 1 in 20

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then tell your representative to do so.
    Thats not the point. We're debating whether Obamas words contradict.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Again you ignore what I said, has it been only the top 5% that pays nearly 60% of all taxes, that are responsible for putting us 16 trillion dollars in debt ?? A simple yes or no ..

    Seeing we spend about 450 billion a year in welfare, in my opinion that answer is no. If that is true, then again I’ll ask .. Why should those that help put us 16 trillion dollars in debt not help us get out of it ?

    If we can raise the taxes on those top 5%, to help get us out of our debt problem, what is wrong with raising the taxes on the middle class that were also cut.

    Now one of your arguments is that people in the upper incomes did pretty well during Clintons years, but didn’t the middle class do pretty well also?

    Seeing this debt is America’s problem, shouldn’t everyone be expected to help take care of it? I’ve often heard liberals like yourself bragging about the Clinton years …. So here is your chance to go back to them. For everyone not just 1 in 20
    I'm not ignoring it. I'm telling you why. Because we cut their burden, and cut the help we give people, more fell below that line. Taking more out of the taxing population. Cause and effect.

    This puts more people on welfare, but with less services to move them out. We've done it your way, and for a long time now. This is the result.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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