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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Where did I say that?
    The taxes will be directed at those who have money. Medicare and medcaid by and large are those who don't. So, to have a 2-1 differential means the poor will be carrying about twice the burden.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. By the he said this he had already call republicans to the table. Laying your opening bid is not demanding you get yours before anything else. Republicans hold some power. Step up yo the table and begin negotiations.
    So then you are in line, Republicans can come to the table with the hard line that there will be no new taxes to the upper 5% and negotiations can begin from there right ??

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Obama should be the leader. He should go to the table willing to make his compromises first. This is his job, to lead.

    My idea would be that Republicans allow a 1/2 percent increase on the rich and then allow Democrats to make a small compromise in spending that equals out. Then for each 1/2 percent increase, Democrats make more small compromises until they have each reached where they want to be.

    But to stand up and basically claim that as the leader you refuse to budge at all on the compromise is a great way to get things tied up in congress and create a huge mess. Someone has to take the lead and it should be the man voted in as the leader.
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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, you think the poor should carry twice the burden?
    so you think that it's just the upper 2% of our working population that pays over 40% of all our taxes are the ones that have gotten us 16 trillion dollars in debt ??


    Personally I think everyone in this country helped in getting to that 16 trillion dollars in debt, and everyone should help get us out of it .. I'm in favor of letting all the tax cuts expire ... and I would think liberals like yourself would be happy to have that happen ..... after all if you aren't willing to give up the small tax cut that Bush gave you .... in return for those billions from those evil rich bastards ... then you are clearly stating that you have no feeling at all at getting our debt paid down .... and you "JUST" are out to get the rich .

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That is on the tax side. Not on the cuts side. So, you're missing that they can say sure, but you need to these cuts. Because there are automatic cuts as well. That automatic swings both ways. Both have leverage.
    Im not missing it. Obama is missing it. He made no mention of anything other than his two options.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Exactly. We should raise everybody's taxes and then blame Obama.
    It works for democrats.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    If I were Republicans I would just say, here is our return offer.

    Opt 1 - taxes go up on everyone
    opt 2 - taxes stay the same for everyone
    Which is one reason why the GOP is so out of touch with voters.
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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    So then you are in line, Republicans can come to the table with the hard line that there will be no new taxes to the upper 5% and negotiations can begin from there right ??
    They can. But there will have to be movement. They will have to agree to some tax increases and Obama will have to agree to some cuts. Or, merely go off the cliff.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    so you think that it's just the upper 2% of our working population that pays over 40% of all our taxes are the ones that have gotten us 16 trillion dollars in debt ??


    Personally I think everyone in this country helped in getting to that 16 trillion dollars in debt, and everyone should help get us out of it .. I'm in favor of letting all the tax cuts expire ... and I would think liberals like yourself would be happy to have that happen ..... after all if you aren't willing to give up the small tax cut that Bush gave you .... in return for those billions from those evil rich bastards ... then you are clearly stating that you have no feeling at all at getting our debt paid down .... and you "JUST" are out to get the rich .
    That sounds reasonable in theory, but it is not entirely true. We've actually been dialing back the help we give people in need and cutting taxes on the wealthy for sometime. Linked a Standford study for someone the other day that said the very movement is why we have more poor today, hurting us in all kinds of ways. So, if that study is accurate, it would be more the breaks we've given the wealthy, and that the poor have been taking it n the chin for awhile.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Im not missing it. Obama is missing it. He made no mention of anything other than his two options.
    He didn't have to mention it. He has had cuts on the table for awhile.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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