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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

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    No stawman here, just reading what you are saying, and restating it without the vague double speak.

    I am well aware of how a bill works, and from what America saw in the last term, they saw bill after bill passed in the house that would have helped, be thwarted by Reid, like an Obama lap dog, whether it would have helped America or not.

    Where is a budget?

    This is all about ramming the progressive agenda down America's throat. And to that I say stand your ground. We will not sacrifice principles just to give more power over to demo's, and that is not what America voted for. Remember they increased the number of repubs in the house.

    I say if you want to go back to Clinton era policies, and taxes, at this point go right the hell ahead! Just be sure to scope out the programs that progressives love, that they will also lose because of that....
    The very definition of a strawman is what you're putting up. I've not even taken a side here. Unlike some people, I don't need a political party to tell me what to think.

    Not once did I say anything about Clinton era policies. All I've said so far is that I'm not confident that Boehner has the political capital to spend here. At least not enough to win this battle when Obama has nothing to lose. Boehner's the one who has to run in 2 years. Obama doesn't ever have to run for anything ever again.

    So whatever you want to say about "ramming a progressive agenda" the question is who wins if we go over the cliff. If you think Boehner win, fine. I doubt it. I'm certain that you'll think he wins no matter what. But thanks for letting us know that Republicans winning a stupid power play means more to you anything else. It says a lot.


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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Heres the trascript:

    Transcript of President Obama?s Press Conference - NYTimes.com



    So hes open to new idea so long as those new ideas are either of his two options.

    Sucks for you. We libs have been on the losing end of the "compromise" stick for the last four years where the GOP was the party of "No Compromise" and record breaking numbers of filibusters to show it. And because of that, you guys lost.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you collect enough money to pay for what you spend, there is no debt. Now, you're being silly, so not sure you're really looking for a real answer. But, we taxed at a higher rate then, spend more on services then, and did better as a country in nearly every area. You whine silly, but it won't change history.
    You start your response with an "If" that isn't there. If BHO had passed a budget, "If" spending had been cut to reflect income, "If" the country hadn't become dependent on social programs, "If" America wasn't populated by the perpetually adolescent, then perhaps America could achieve solvency. But they can't and they won't. We are watching an incredible piece of history, the decline of America, taking place over a remarkably brief historical period.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You start your response with an "If" that isn't there. If BHO had passed a budget, "If" spending had been cut to reflect income, "If" the country hadn't become dependent on social programs, "If" America wasn't populated by the perpetually adolescent, then perhaps America could achieve solvency. But they can't and they won't. We are watching an incredible piece of history, the decline of America, taking place over a remarkably brief historical period.
    And you believe only one party? One person is responsible for this?

    Pour yourself another glass and drink up.


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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

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    The very definition of a strawman is what you're putting up. I've not even taken a side here. Unlike some people, I don't need a political party to tell me what to think.

    Not once did I say anything about Clinton era policies. All I've said so far is that I'm not confident that Boehner has the political capital to spend here. At least not enough to win this battle when Obama has nothing to lose. Boehner's the one who has to run in 2 years. Obama doesn't ever have to run for anything ever again.

    So whatever you want to say about "ramming a progressive agenda" the question is who wins if we go over the cliff. If you think Boehner win, fine. I doubt it. I'm certain that you'll think he wins no matter what. But thanks for letting us know that Republicans winning a stupid power play means more to you anything else. It says a lot.

    And you approach this thread as if there aren't thousands of words through out the board from liberals talking about how it isn't so bad to return to Clinton era rates and policies .... You want to suspend all of that because you know that although America voted back in the pretend dictator, they also effectively didn't change a damned thing when it comes to the hurdles in his way to get what he wants....See, I think that mean that America wants him to compromise his positions, and work with the opposition in a real way, not just with lip service, and demonization, and blame.
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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And you believe only one party? One person is responsible for this?

    Pour yourself another glass and drink up.


    Oh so that's it Joe? That is all liberals want is for conservatives to say that we both have a role in where we are as we fall to our collective demise? Bull ****. Your guy in office, your guy that YOU voted for, now own it.
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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And you approach this thread as if there aren't thousands of words through out the board from liberals talking about how it isn't so bad to return to Clinton era rates and policies .... You want to suspend all of that because you know that although America voted back in the pretend dictator, they also effectively didn't change a damned thing when it comes to the hurdles in his way to get what he wants....See, I think that mean that America wants him to compromise his positions, and work with the opposition in a real way, not just with lip service, and demonization, and blame.
    It's kind of funny how you quote my posts, then proceed to talk about everything I didn't say.


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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh so that's it Joe? That is all liberals want is for conservatives to say that we both have a role in where we are as we fall to our collective demise? Bull ****. Your guy in office, your guy that YOU voted for, now own it.
    First off, we're not in demise. Secondly, both parties have added to the debt. Third, the private sector is perhaps more responsible (though not alone) for much of our problems today. Anyone, from either party, who is tries to blame one person, one party, is either ignorant of what has happened during our our history, or is so partisan as to willing suspend disbelief while drinking the koolaid down as if he or she was dying of thirst.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And you believe only one party? One person is responsible for this?

    Pour yourself another glass and drink up.

    You did use the quote system this time and still managed to put up a response completely unrelated to what it said. You're hopeless.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

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    First off, we're not in demise.
    Really? You think the $16,000,000,000,000 debt will somehow be paid plus the $60,000,000,000,000 necessary for future obligations will be met? Where will this money come from?
    Secondly, both parties have added to the debt.
    No doubt, and that's not being denied. When George Bush raised the debt his popularity shrunk to the 20's. That should have been the same with Obama.
    Third, the private sector is perhaps more responsible (though not alone) for much of our problems today.
    How so? The private sector is struggling or leaving the country. It's the bureaucracy, public employees, and the politicians who are doing well.

    Anyone, from either party, who is tries to blame one person, one party, is either ignorant of what has happened during our our history, or is so partisan as to willing suspend disbelief while drinking the koolaid down as if he or she was dying of thirst.
    Who is doing that? But with Obama we have a dismal record and the majority of Americans voted for the same dismal record and more of the same, and this time Obama need not fear of re-election. He will indeed be "more flexible", both domestically as well as with his foreign policies.

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