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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Youre missing badly. Obamas context and history both show that he does not compromise or accept new ideas. There no need to read the New York Times today when I can read his exact speech where he offers no options but his own.
    Actually, where Obama usually fails is that he STARTS at a compromise, and the Republicans smartly try to move him farther right. Think about how different the Obamacare debate would have been if Obama started with UHC and let the Republicans talk him down to Romneycare. Romney might even have won because he could have run on that instead of trying to convince everyone that it was his evil twin that did that.


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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why? Obama's not getting re-elected either way. I think most people will see if Republicans try to do that, and every one in the House has to run again in 2 years. That would be a heck of a gamble for Boehner to take for no real gain politically.
    I think people deep down know what is fair, and to have Obama acting like he and the demo's won some kind of overwhelming mandate, and refusing to budge off of the same old song and dance he has been doing since Jan. '09, and then saying that repubs won't join him and give him everything he wants is somehow repub obstructionism is ridiculous, and they will see that.

    Demo's talk a good game of representing everyone, when in truth, anyone that doesn't tow the party line, the Obama line, you couldn't care less about.
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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think people deep down know what is fair, and to have Obama acting like he and the demo's won some kind of overwhelming mandate, and refusing to budge off of the same old song and dance he has been doing since Jan. '09, and then saying that repubs won't join him and give him everything he wants is somehow repub obstructionism is ridiculous, and they will see that.

    Demo's talk a good game of representing everyone, when in truth, anyone that doesn't tow the party line, the Obama line, you couldn't care less about.
    You're just complaining about political gamesmanship. If the parties were reversed, you'd just have a Republican bitching about Democrats. That's just the game.

    Remember when Clinton let Gingrich have his little hissy fit and shut down the government? Backfired on Newt big time. Obama's got nothing to lose, he's not getting re-elected no matter what. Boehner on the other hand, has to run again in 2014 if he wants to keep his job. So I'd say that the ball is definitely in the GOPs court. They know it too, which is why they're suddenly "willing to talk" on revenue when they weren't last year.

    Maybe it's not fair, but in terms of the political game Obama already won. Politics ain't fair.


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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You're just complaining about political gamesmanship. If the parties were reversed, you'd just have a Republican bitching about Democrats. That's just the game.

    Remember when Clinton let Gingrich have his little hissy fit and shut down the government? Backfired on Newt big time. Obama's got nothing to lose, he's not getting re-elected no matter what. Boehner on the other hand, has to run again in 2014 if he wants to keep his job. So I'd say that the ball is definitely in the GOPs court. They know it too, which is why they're suddenly "willing to talk" on revenue when they weren't last year.

    Maybe it's not fair, but in terms of the political game Obama already won. Politics ain't fair.

    He won the election to be President, not King....You obviously think that he should just dictate what he wants and everyone should kneel at his feet and say 'right away your highness'.... heh, heh...

    Look it up, "ALL SPENDING BILLS ORIGINATE IN THE CONGRESS"...Period. It doesn't say that the President has the dictatorial power to just wave his hand and have the opposing party crumble.
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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    He won the election to be President, not King....You obviously think that he should just dictate what he wants and everyone should kneel at his feet and say 'right away your highness'.... heh, heh...

    Look it up, "ALL SPENDING BILLS ORIGINATE IN THE CONGRESS"...Period. It doesn't say that the President has the dictatorial power to just wave his hand and have the opposing party crumble.
    Constructing strawmen again? I knew you would, but that's OK, I've come to expect it.

    I don't think he should just dictate, but his victory is going to force Republicans to come more to the left than they'd like to. "All spending bills originate in the Congress" doesn't mean the President's just a rubber stamp either. Even if the bill originates in the House, it has to make it through the Senate too. You realize that, right?

    You were saying that they should just stop anything unless it fits their dream world. That's not a realistic scenario for them anymore. If they think it'll just "hang on Obama" the way you think, they better be right or they'll be in BIG trouble in 2014.


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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Constructing strawmen again? I knew you would, but that's OK, I've come to expect it.

    I don't think he should just dictate, but his victory is going to force Republicans to come more to the left than they'd like to. "All spending bills originate in the Congress" doesn't mean the President's just a rubber stamp either. Even if the bill originates in the House, it has to make it through the Senate too. You realize that, right?

    You were saying that they should just stop anything unless it fits their dream world. That's not a realistic scenario for them anymore. If they think it'll just "hang on Obama" the way you think, they better be right or they'll be in BIG trouble in 2014.

    No stawman here, just reading what you are saying, and restating it without the vague double speak.

    I am well aware of how a bill works, and from what America saw in the last term, they saw bill after bill passed in the house that would have helped, be thwarted by Reid, like an Obama lap dog, whether it would have helped America or not.

    Where is a budget?

    This is all about ramming the progressive agenda down America's throat. And to that I say stand your ground. We will not sacrifice principles just to give more power over to demo's, and that is not what America voted for. Remember they increased the number of repubs in the house.

    I say if you want to go back to Clinton era policies, and taxes, at this point go right the hell ahead! Just be sure to scope out the programs that progressives love, that they will also lose because of that....
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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not what the Stanford study reports. Thing is, do you believe ideology or studies more?
    The Stanford Study says that a government can get into debt to the tune of over $1,000,000,000,000 every ten months and there will be no consequences?

    What ideology or study says you can spend that kind of money indefinitely without there being an eventual collapse?

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It was the proper reply to what you said. To expect him to do what you want he would have to be one of those things. Don't get mad at others if the argument you present lacks logic.
    No, it was not the proper reply. You did not understand at what was being said and therefore had a guess at how you should respond.

    This is why Leftists must always use quotes. Guessing at what they think the proper reply might be never works for them.

    Please use the actual quotes.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Stanford Study says that a government can get into debt to the tune of over $1,000,000,000,000 every ten months and there will be no consequences?

    What ideology or study says you can spend that kind of money indefinitely without there being an eventual collapse?
    If you collect enough money to pay for what you spend, there is no debt. Now, you're being silly, so not sure you're really looking for a real answer. But, we taxed at a higher rate then, spend more on services then, and did better as a country in nearly every area. You whine silly, but it won't change history.

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    Re: Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, it was not the proper reply. You did not understand at what was being said and therefore had a guess at how you should respond.

    This is why Leftists must always use quotes. Guessing at what they think the proper reply might be never works for them.

    Please use the actual quotes.
    As long as you argue with "leftists," whoever they are, you will always be caught short in a debate with an actual individual. And if in any way you think I got your point wrong, by all means, explain. Nothing prevents you from advancing your argument. But I will bet that I understood you fine, and the point I made was quite accurate.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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