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    Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional - Telegraph



    Prime Minister Julia Gillard on Wednesday slammed the use of the confessional to avoid reporting abuse, saying it is a "sin of omission" and all adults have a duty to protect children.

    She announced this week the launch of a Royal Commission to investigate offences involving religious and non-religious organisations and insisted it will examine not only abuse but the role of institutions in covering it up.

    Though the commission's terms of reference are yet to be decided, Ms Gillard said on Wednesday she was concerned about adults "averting their eyes" from crimes against children.

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    He said priests should avoid taking confessions from colleagues suspected of being paedophiles but that they cannot then report the crime to police.

    "If that is done outside the confessional (it can be passed on)," he said.

    "(But) the Seal of Confession is inviolable If the priest knows beforehand about such a situation, the priest should refuse to hear the confession." The strict secrecy of confessions is believed to be more than 1000 years old.
    So the solution from the church is for priests to refuse confessionals to pedos.

    Nice.

    So the question here is should priests be relieved from reporting pedophilia to authorities which they discover during confession?

    FWIW - Even doctors, under the seal of medical privacy, are required to report such.

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    I think this is a step in the right direction for the Catholic church.
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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional - Telegraph





    So the solution from the church is for priests to refuse confessionals to pedos.

    Nice.

    So the question here is should priests be relieved from reporting pedophilia to authorities which they discover during confession?

    FWIW - Even doctors, under the seal of medical privacy, are required to report such.
    Hell no. They need to report it. It doesn't matter what some men in funny hats say.
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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    When the government can impose its will on the church, society is in trouble.

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    So the solution from the church is for priests to refuse confessionals to pedos.

    Nice.

    So the question here is should priests be relieved from reporting pedophilia to authorities which they discover during confession?

    FWIW - Even doctors, under the seal of medical privacy, are required to report such.

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    When the government can impose its will on the church, society is in trouble.
    It's not imposing it's will, it's imposing it's laws, just like they do on everyone else.

    Why should the church be exempt?

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional - Telegraph





    So the solution from the church is for priests to refuse confessionals to pedos.

    Nice.

    So the question here is should priests be relieved from reporting pedophilia to authorities which they discover during confession?

    FWIW - Even doctors, under the seal of medical privacy, are required to report such.

    Maybe we can get a priest here to explain. When I was studying for the priesthood, I recall that if you could PREVENT harm, then you can disclose. For example, if someone came into the confessional and said "I'm going to murder someone" then you should report that, but if they say "I did murder someone," then you don't, but the priest should tell them to confess.

    So the way I see it if it is confessed to them that "I will continue to abuse children," then that should be reported. I don't know, that's just what I remember from 20 years ago.

    OK, here's what I think (as a no-longer-Catholic): The priest can give you any penance for your sins to be forgiven. The priest hearing a confession of molesting children should make confessing to the police part of the penance.


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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Maybe we can get a priest here to explain. When I was studying for the priesthood, I recall that if you could PREVENT harm, then you can disclose. For example, if someone came into the confessional and said "I'm going to murder someone" then you should report that, but if they say "I did murder someone," then you don't, but the priest should tell them to confess.

    So the way I see it if it is confessed to them that "I will continue to abuse children," then that should be reported. I don't know, that's just what I remember from 20 years ago.

    OK, here's what I think (as a no-longer-Catholic): The priest can give you any penance for your sins to be forgiven. The priest hearing a confession of molesting children should make confessing to the police part of the penance.
    A nice way to put it.

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Separation of church and state.

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    It's not imposing it's will, it's imposing it's laws, just like they do on everyone else.

    Why should the church be exempt?

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Separation of church and state.
    You have a Byzantine view of SOCAS.

    What you are suggesting is the Church is an entity outside the confines of society and neither has to conform to nor follow or observe the same rules and laws as everyone else.

    Fail.

    The Church doesn't make up it's own rules...at least anymore.

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Thomas Jefferson would agree with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    You have a Byzantine view of SOCAS.

    What you are suggesting is the Church is an entity outside the confines of society and neither has to conform to nor follow or observe the same rules and laws as everyone else.

    Fail.

    The Church doesn't make up it's own rules...at least anymore.

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