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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Thomas Jefferson would agree with me.
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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

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    Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional - Telegraph

    So the solution from the church is for priests to refuse confessionals to pedos.

    Nice.

    So the question here is should priests be relieved from reporting pedophilia to authorities which they discover during confession?

    FWIW - Even doctors, under the seal of medical privacy, are required to report such.
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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Right, but you called my views "Byzantine." Jefferson was a preeminent American thinker.

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    Thomas Jefferson kept slaves even though he seemed to be against slavery.

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Separation of church and state.
    That's idiotic. The church is still liable to follow the law. Or are you suggesting priests ought to be able to go out and shoot people at random and suffer no consequences for it?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    How can we have a civilized debate if we're already resorting to name-calling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's idiotic. The church is still liable to follow the law. Or are you suggesting priests ought to be able to go out and shoot people at random and suffer no consequences for it?

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    As a general rule, arising from common law (upon which both American and Australian law are founded), you have no obligation to report any crime you witness. The primary traditional exception is that you have a duty to protect people with whom you have a status relationship (e.g., your spouse, your minor children).

    Misprision involves acts of concealment, not just a failure to report criminal activity.

    There was a trend, some years back, for mostly local governments to try to pass laws requiring the reporting of certain offenses (so-called "Good Samaritan" laws), usually crimes in progress. That trend was parodied in the final episode of the T.V. series, Seinfeld.

    Mandatory reporting laws, while constitutional, go against both Australian and American legal tradition.

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    While I think that any good government that cares about the rights and liberties of its citizenry, should be VERY VERY cautious and hesitant about sticking its nose into the internal proceedures of any religious organization... when you have reason to believe that a certain type of very serious crime (ie pedo) has become a problem within that religious org, and that the org's own internal rules are causing the crimes to be covered up and interfering with prosecution, you have a strong argument for such intervention.

    Whether this intervention is legal I could not say, as I have almost zero knowlege of Australia's legal structure, or whether they have anything similar to the BoR or not.

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional - Telegraph





    So the solution from the church is for priests to refuse confessionals to pedos.

    Nice.

    So the question here is should priests be relieved from reporting pedophilia to authorities which they discover during confession?

    FWIW - Even doctors, under the seal of medical privacy, are required to report such.
    Priests should face the same punishments anyone else would for refusing to notify authorities of child abuse.
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    Re: Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Australian priests could be forced to breach seal of the confessional - Telegraph





    So the solution from the church is for priests to refuse confessionals to pedos.

    Nice.

    So the question here is should priests be relieved from reporting pedophilia to authorities which they discover during confession?

    FWIW - Even doctors, under the seal of medical privacy, are required to report such.
    Confessions should be like doctor or psychiatrist visits, completely confidential. Unless the person is talking about specifically harming someone.

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