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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    To be honest.. nope. And I see the "issue".. does not change my stand point one
    bit. Anyone with half a brain and a bit of logic can see that adding chemicals that are flammable (which they are) into the ground will eventually seep to the ground water. And it was only the water they tested... then explain why there is plenty of evidence of flammable water coming out of taps in areas where there has been fracking?
    You're silly.

    Truth is PROOF is not the issue to you or any other of the eco-fringe.

    Its more about the political consequences of the oil Companies and America climbing into a huge mass of untapped Oil reserves.

    And how that sffects any number of your false narratives

    Imagine, we dont have to listen to the lies of the left as they try to mandate ridiculous standards and push Technology thats more expensive than practical. ( photovoltaic )

    Fracking probably wi make the US energy independent and thsts bad news for the left.

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Did that article just give Obama credit for Fracking ?

    Hillarious. Theyr'e doing most of their oil explorarion on private lands because Obama's done everything in his power to stop oil exploration.

    Even Natural gas exploration .
    Really?

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    Don't Worry Big Oil, President Obama Probably Doesn't Hate You As Much As You Think - Forbes
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    "..Since 2008 energy production is up, but consumption is down. Oil and gas production in the U.S. has zoomed to levels not seen in a decade, while overall energy consumption is down 10% or so. The boom in oil and gas drilling has been a rare economic bright spot for the nation, and one that President Obama has had no incentive to undo.

    Despite environmentalists railing against Fracking and the EPA investigating whether it pollutes groundwater, there’s been No move toward federal regulation of it.

    Amazingly, in the third presidential election, Both Obama and Mitt Romney both voiced their belief that the United States could even achieve energy independence in the decade to come — and that this was a good thing.

    As for that Gulf of Mexico drilling moratorium, Webber thinks the industry has come to terms with it. “You can’t have 11 people die and millions of barrels of oil spill into the gulf and not accept that a temporary moratorium is justified,” says Webber. “After all, even Ronald Reagan paused the space program after the Challenger explosion.”

    Webber thinks there’s no chance that Obama would try to resurrect legislation pushing a carbon cap-and-trade program.."
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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    AGAIN.....its being done on PRIVATE lands where Obama has little control.

    I guess you lobs are going to take credit for the shale boom now ?

    And push fake green energy alternatives simultaneously.

    This means GM's days are numbered jack.

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Well they would have to be because Obamas shutting down access to Federal lands.

    He even campaigned in Colorado about the need for large tracks of Federal Land their to be used for Natural Gas exploration.

    He got elected, and then he shut down those areas.
    Not exactly the case.

    I know oilmen like to whine, and they love a lease sale glut (i.e. poor government management involving flooding the market so the public gets less money from the sales), but I am in the industry so don’t try to snow me. Or maybe you were snowed? *shrug*

    Also plays like the Marcellus Shale, for example, being east of the Mississippi has a lot less public land that can be involved. EDIT: Even less in the Texas plays.
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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You're silly.

    Truth is PROOF is not the issue to you or any other of the eco-fringe.

    Its more about the political consequences of the oil Companies and America climbing into a huge mass of untapped Oil reserves.

    And how that sffects any number of your false narratives

    Imagine, we dont have to listen to the lies of the left as they try to mandate ridiculous standards and push Technology thats more expensive than practical. ( photovoltaic )

    Fracking probably wi make the US energy independent and thsts bad news for the left.
    Funny, those were similar words and attitudes to smoking back in the day... and seat belts, and so on and so on. Guess we shall see over time....and when we do find out the harm it causes, then I will say.... "told ya so".
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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Funny, those were similar words and attitudes to smoking back in the day... and seat belts, and so on and so on.
    Problem with your position is that it does not jive with the theory when in possession of the technical details of the situation, and the independent study of empirical evidence points to the contrary.

    So in a cigarette industry analogy the best fist is that you would be Rothmans. *shrug*

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    Problem with your position is that it does not jive with the theory when in possession of the technical details of the situation, and the independent study of empirical evidence points to the contrary.

    So in a cigarette industry analogy the best fist is that you would be Rothmans. *shrug*
    I just read the article and the fact is you and the others did not read the article it seems and are spinning faster than Rush Limburger on drugs.

    The study states that in water wells near natural gas mining there is a dangerous amount of methane in the drinking water. The difference between natural gas mining and fracking is not that big as both use the same basic methods of leaving chemicals and **** in the place of the needed gas or oil.

    It is you and your oil buddies that are in total denial about the harm they are doing to get this oil. I have no problems with the drilling.. hey its just earthquakes... but the poisons they are putting in the ground in replacement of the oil.. will seep into the water table.. if putting poisons on our farming fields leads to poisons in the water tables.. what do you think putting similar poisons closer to the water table does?

    But lets wait for the EPA and other studies that are being made across the world on this..
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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Okay, first as for these so-called myth debunkers - how do they know, and why can't the rest of us have access to the information they used to form their expert opinions? The companies who make the fracking fluids will not release their contents to the public. They hold them as proprietary information. So, just how do these mythbusters in the waiting know unless they are privy to propietary information from ALL these companies?

    Second, watch Gasland.

    Third, go ahead, post the full ingredients list of ANY fracking fluid. No, not the simple charts where they list four or five classes of ingredients for the gullible, a complete list.
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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    To be honest.. nope. And I see the "issue".. does not change my stand point one bit. Anyone with half a brain and a bit of logic can see that adding chemicals that are flammable (which they are) into the ground will eventually seep to the ground water. And it was only the water they tested... then explain why there is plenty of evidence of flammable water coming out of taps in areas where there has been fracking?
    Ever been to Long Beach in Cali? Of course you havent. Because of California's mortorium on offshore drilling and exploration they actually have oil sands right near the beach--because the oil is seeping out of the ground. Its got to be fracking right?

    I dont claim to be an expert on this subject but at least I read the evidence, unlike some people. Pete--let us know when you are ready to come back from the land of no credibility.

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I just read the article and the fact is you and the others did not read the article it seems and are spinning faster than Rush Limburger on drugs.

    The study states that in water wells near natural gas mining there is a dangerous amount of methane in the drinking water. The difference between natural gas mining and tracking is not that big as both use the same basic methods of leaving chemicals and **** in the place of the needed gas or oil.
    Spin?

    See, I read the article. I already knew about what the article contained before even reading it. I know WTF I am talking about. You didn’t, didn’t, and don’t.

    I already provided a full and accurate information inline with what you are just now discovering and talking about.

    Your baseless screeds about fracking are flat out that. That you are trying to pretend they are not, that you are presenting yourself as having a sniff of what you are talking about, is the only spin in our discussion.

    It is you and your oil buddies that are in total denial about the harm they are doing to get this oil. I have no problems with the drilling.. hey its just earthquakes... but the poisons they are putting in the ground in replacement of the oil.. will seep into the water table.. if putting poisons on our farming fields leads to poisons in the water tables.. what do you think putting similar poisons closer to the water table does?

    But lets wait for the EPA and other studies that are being made across the world on this..
    Fracking has been going on for several decades. Yes, decades. Something in the range of 60 to 70 years.

    Of course new areas mean people freaking out, as the Fear Circus rolls into town. Yes there have been oopies in the past. Yes there have been bad actors. Yes there are risks, as with any industrial activity. Yes regulations are good and continually honing best procedures is important because of that. But your brand of ignorant fearmonging helps nobody except those running (and sometimes profiting off of) the Fear Circus. It does not of course help the oil & gas companies on the whole, but far more importantly it harms the landowners and communities over top of these resources. It leads to dumb, ineffective legislation. Legislation that provides poor cost benefit for safety causes problems, it increases the chances of oopsies and perversely it can increase the incentive and payout to slimeballs willing to break rules and shortcut.
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