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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There's [part of] the rub. The fracking fluids are patented and held highly secret. At one time a congressional panel tried to compel one of the manufacturers to reveal, and after some doing they did get a list. However, a good part of that list is still not public information.
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42461.pdf

    For example, Colorado requires parties to identify each chemical ingredient in the overall fracturing fluid by its Chemical Abstracts Service (CAS) number36 and to provide the maximum concentration of each ingredient within the fluid…
    The regulations vary, state to state.

    They pump million of gallons of water mixed with these fluids into the ground and estimates I’ve seen are that up to 70% of it is left in the ground.
    …in geological formations that had been, and to some extent even after production is complete still are hydrocarbon aquifers. Meaning any water you would find there naturally is not something a sane person would put into their body, or even pour on their body generally speaking. Especially if you do not like the taste of brine.
    We do know this, get those fracking fluids anywhere near a well or an aquifer and the people using that water can light their taps with a match and the water itself becomes a toxic nightmare. That's documented and filmed.
    That is nonsense. Taps that “light on fire” (more a pop, usually meaning quite dangerous) have to do with the natural gas, the hydrocarbons that are the target of the drilling. What is the cause of that can be “naturally occurring” (yes, that does happen, drill for water and get natural gas, remember these wells are being drilled in areas with hydrocarbons including coal as a common feature of the geology), related to the drilling process of the well itself (geological formation disturbance), a poorly engineered completed well that is leaking from the production zone into a surface aquifer, or the fracking as possible causes. The fracking being at or near the bottom of the list, probability-wise.

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL try googling it and avoid Fox News. European countries are thinking of banning fracking.. well not the UK, because of the risks to the ground water. Not to mention fracking in the UK has caused minor earthquakes in areas there should be no earthquakes..

    Not my fault you believe right wing and industry hype over scientific fact. Hell on youtube there are many videos from the US, where tap water is flammable.
    Not my fault you arent proving jack or ****.

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Not my fault you arent proving jack or ****.
    Fracking causes earthquakes, studies confirm - Technology & Science - CBC News

    and

    Scientific Study Links Flammable Drinking Water to Fracking - ProPublica

    two of many many articles and studies on the subject.

    And no, linking to a right wing blog or rag that attempts to debunk the above is not needed.. I have seen them, and they cant be taken seriously.. it is the same arguments used by cigarette makes when they claim that cigarettes are not addictive and dont cause cancer.
    PeteEU

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Fracking causes earthquakes, studies confirm - Technology & Science - CBC News

    and

    Scientific Study Links Flammable Drinking Water to Fracking - ProPublica

    two of many many articles and studies on the subject.

    And no, linking to a right wing blog or rag that attempts to debunk the above is not needed.. I have seen them, and they cant be taken seriously.. it is the same arguments used by cigarette makes when they claim that cigarettes are not addictive and dont cause cancer.
    From your own article a few choice tidbits:
    The researchers did not find evidence that the chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing had contaminated any of the wells they tested, allaying for the time being some of the greatest fears among environmentalists and drilling opponents.
    They didnt? Ok, well then...

    The geology in Pennsylvania and New York, they said, is tectonically active with faults and other pathways through the rock. They noted that leaky well casings were the most likely cause of the contamination but couldn’t rule out long-range underground migration, which they said “might be possible due to both the extensive fracture systems reported for these formations and the many older, uncased wells drilled and abandoned.”
    It might be this but it cant be this. Sounds certain to me.

    The water was also analyzed for signs that dangerous fluids from inside the gas wells might have escaped into water supplies. The group tested for salts, radium and other chemicals that, if detected, would have signaled that the produced water or natural fluids in the well’s target zone were making it to the aquifers. But those types of fluids were not found. The group did not test for fracking chemicals or hydrocarbons like benzene, relying instead on the saline or radioactive compounds like radium as indicators.
    It should be noted Benzene is a high percentage cancer agent and is immediately detectable and easily. If people were drinking it, they would develop cancers within weeks.

    From the other article:
    The consultants' report, commissioned by the U.K. government and published on Tuesday recommends that fracking should be halted temporarily if there is a tremor greater than magnitude 0.5 on the Richter scale. Cuadrilla Resources, a company that halted its fracking activities in northwestern England following tremors of magnitudes 2.3 and 1.5 in April and May last year, has said that is acceptable.
    Low magnitude tremors are probably going to happen in a process like fracking. The question is, can it trigger larger ones or increase the likelihood of such. We dont have an answer to that.

    BTW, when you introduce slanted articles and dismiss articles slanted from the other side, you arent after the truth, you are after an agenda. But, then, most of us already knew that.

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    If you take the time to skim past the BS headline…
    The researchers did not find evidence that the chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing had contaminated any of the wells they tested, allaying for the time being some of the greatest fears among environmentalists and drilling opponents.

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    If it is regulated because fracking is truly untenable.. so be it.

    But that isn't the case now.

    GAS PRICES FACT: Domestic Oil Production Has Soared Under President Obama | ThinkProgress

    Here in NY we haven't allowed fracking yet, despite the boom in PA next door, as the Gov/Govt is concerned about the NYC watershed.
    There may be some areas like that where it is more problematic, but overall, probably not. To be seen.

    France has outlawed Fracking.
    Did that article just give Obama credit for Fracking ?

    Hillarious. Theyr'e doing most of their oil explorarion on private lands because Obama's done everything in his power to stop oil exploration.

    Even Natural gas exploration .

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Fracking causes earthquakes, studies confirm - Technology & Science - CBC News

    and

    Scientific Study Links Flammable Drinking Water to Fracking - ProPublica

    two of many many articles and studies on the subject.

    And no, linking to a right wing blog or rag that attempts to debunk the above is not needed.. I have seen them, and they cant be taken seriously.. it is the same arguments used by cigarette makes when they claim that cigarettes are not addictive and dont cause cancer.
    Hey Pete, did you bother reading through any of your articles ?

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Did that article just give Obama credit for Fracking ?

    Hillarious. Theyr'e doing most of their oil explorarion on private lands because Obama's done everything in his power to stop oil exploration.

    Even Natural gas exploration .
    It hasn’t occurred to you that the new areas of development are in parts of the country with a much higher percentage of private lands than prior?

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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hey Pete, did you bother reading through any of your articles ?
    To be honest.. nope. And I see the "issue".. does not change my stand point one bit. Anyone with half a brain and a bit of logic can see that adding chemicals that are flammable (which they are) into the ground will eventually seep to the ground water. And it was only the water they tested... then explain why there is plenty of evidence of flammable water coming out of taps in areas where there has been fracking?
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    Re: Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World's Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    It hasn’t occurred to you that the new areas of development are in
    parts of the country with a much higher percentage of private lands than prior?
    Well they would have to be because Obamas shutting down access to Federal lands.

    He even campaigned in Colorado about the need for large tracks of Federal Land their to be used for Natural Gas exploration.

    He got elected, and then he shut down those areas.

    Swell guy

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