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Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires

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"Parasite Nation"? "Class warfare"?


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Lets see here when your government is not bringing in enough revenue and you want to get rid of the debt and deficit lowering taxes especially on the richest is not the answer. Plus thats when the deficit exploded was under these tax rates.

So are you done using all these rhetoric?

So you theory is that only 7.5 million people in this country, is solely responsible for over 15 trillion dollars in debt ? You must believe this, because you keep arguing for those 5% to shoulder the bill.

If you don’t believe in class warfare, then you would admit, our debt is all of America’s problem, and everyone should be included when it comes to paying off this debt ..

So what it is .. . Do you promote class warfare and believe that only 7.5 million Americans created our 15 trillion dollar debt, or do you believe that it’s a problem that all Americans helped to create ?
 
and the Senate, yes. The Congress still has the purse strings, even when they've untied them and are handing out cash by the handfuls.

Says this very quiet ….. Remember the last few years of Clinton … and that balanced budget liberals love to brag about ?? Hmmm who controlled both congress and the senate during those years ???

Just saying. ….
 
If you want us to continue creating jobs, you need to give us tax breaks.
 
Would you like to elaborate? Try your hand at making a full sentence with nouns and verbs?


Yes... that's what you support. That's the purpose of graduated taxation. To divide people. To make them envious. To demand government thieve wealth for them.


Try a sentence. You sound like a Yenta.



Lower taxes, cut regulations, and watch unemployment melt. Cut government spending to the bone. Increased revenue and a smaller government will reduce our debt.

As I illustrated in Denmark and have stated before... taxes are used to inhibit behavior. To reduce it.

There is a study where people are given 10 dollars, and the one must give the other some... and they need negotiate this, and come to an agreement or they get nothing. The study showed people do not like to be screwed... even if it was free money. Some opted for nothing than having the feeling the other screwed them.

Obama has pissed in the mouth of the Golden Goose. And increasing taxes is going to make people who create jobs even more resentful. It's human nature.

Parasite nation is not uplifting, it is not positive, it is coercive, ham handed, heavy handed and spiteful. The current leader revealed that during the campaign. He won... but with scorched earth, and that is 100% different from the fraud that ran in 2008.

Parasite Nation need learn you don't piss in the mouth of the Golden Geese. Encourage them, encourage their kind... don't punish them.

Here is my opinion on this, we cannot an will not get our deficit under control by cutting taxes. I’m sorry I know I list my lean as conservative, but I’m trying to be realistic as well

I would propose letting the tax rates (only the tax rates) go back to what they were for everyone. That would still increase revenue.

Then we must see cuts in spending, I’m not talking about a reduction of future spending , when you are saying I’m going to increase spending on project X by 10%, now that I’m going to reduce that to 5% that isn’t a cut … it’s a raise in spending .. Just by 5% rather then 10%. We need real, honest spending cuts.

Then we need to put our focus on “JOBS” industrial and factory jobs that pay a decent wage with benefits. The major problem of losing our middle class is the jobs leaving this country, combined with new technological advances that allow us to produce more with less people. If we don’t find a way to bring those jobs to America … then no matter what we do, all is lost we can’t recover without them.

I don’t like Obama and have made that perfectly clear, but I agree with his speech, (lets see if actions follow what he says) that we need a balanced approach . But I would warn people at the same time, that when he says we need to “invest” in something, that is spending ... money going out the door is spending no matter what you call it.

The CBO just analyzed his new budget for 2013, in adds basically a trillion dollars a year over the next 10 years, that’s according to the CBO in simple terms that is just not acceptable. And remember that is with the projected growth that this administration is saying will happen. If that growth is under expectations that deficit climbs accordingly.
 
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Cut expenses by a third and then raise taxes to pay down the debt. Seems fair to me.
 
Let the Bush tax cuts expire for those over $250,000, and you raise......drumroll please.....

$50 Billion/yr.


Only 5% of the yearly deficit. Brought to you by the party of one idea.


1/20 of the problem solved. Name one other single, painless action that can solve 1/20th of the problem (I suppose you could say cut the defense budget by 10%... that would do it... come to think of it, do both and you have solved 10% of the problem) OK, so you raise taxes on the wealth and cut the defense budget by 10% and now you are off to a good start with very little pain.

.... real progress... much better than the other party that wanted to solve the budget problem by cutting taxes and raising defense budget, which would have been a big step in the direction of making larger deficits.
 
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Read more @: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires - Salon.com

Holy ****! :shock: Are some conservatives actually opening their eyes? Are they finally banking away from this "no taxes on the rich" bull****? Are they finally gonna sacrifice the interests of the richest of the rich for the rest of the American public?

I think there is another thread on this

It wouldn't kill the country if someone snuffed Bill Kristol

we need a flat tax-and this idiocy would go away
 
Cut expenses by a third and then raise taxes to pay down the debt. Seems fair to me.

make everyone pay an effective rate of 15%

big government will become far less popular
 
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Read more @: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires - Salon.com

Holy ****! :shock: Are some conservatives actually opening their eyes? Are they finally banking away from this "no taxes on the rich" bull****? Are they finally gonna sacrifice the interests of the richest of the rich for the rest of the American public?
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The talk of Obama raising taxes on the rich is one of the many lies of the campaign.

Obama absolutely opposed putting ANY ceiling on how much special tax deductions the super rich can take.
 
The talk of Obama raising taxes on the rich is one of the many lies of the campaign.

Obama absolutely opposed putting ANY ceiling on how much special tax deductions the super rich can take.

That’s why I say … raise the taxes on the wealthy like they want, keep saying they have stole their wealth, keep the class warfare that Obama and is flock of sheep have started.

The wealthy, know how to use the tax system to their benefit, they have already had about enough of the foul mouthing . Hit them only with a tax increase, and they will reduce their tax liabilities for the next five or ten years, buy investing their money in tax shelters that won’t give a pay out for 5 or ten years. I’m betting that the first full year after the tax hikes take effect, government revenue drops
 
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Read more @: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires - Salon.com

Holy ****! :shock: Are some conservatives actually opening their eyes? Are they finally banking away from this "no taxes on the rich" bull****? Are they finally gonna sacrifice the interests of the richest of the rich for the rest of the American public?

Liberals will never fall on their sword to give up on the spending cut issue. Without drastic spending cuts, we are absolutely doomed. Democrats have always lied about spending cuts, they lied to Reagain and they will lie now. Their talk of spending cuts is pure lip service. Until spending cuts are first implemented, I don't support tax increases.
 
Giving a government more money to fix their money problems is the same thing as giving an alcoholic more booze to fix their drinking problem.
 
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Read more @: Bill Kristol: “It won’t kill the country” to raise taxes on millionaires - Salon.com

Holy ****! :shock: Are some conservatives actually opening their eyes? Are they finally banking away from this "no taxes on the rich" bull****? Are they finally gonna sacrifice the interests of the richest of the rich for the rest of the American public?

More like they are going to sacrifice their own beliefs to win elections. However, he is essentially right on the point that this wont hurt the rich. They will change their behavior to avoid new taxes, like they always do. Where YOU are wrong is that this will somehow help the rest of the American public.
 
The current tax code isn't designed for the rich, the middle class, the poor for some better means of redistribution. It's designed to maintain control over the citizens and empower government.
 
The current tax code isn't designed for the rich, the middle class, the poor for some better means of redistribution. It's designed to maintain control over the citizens and empower government.

The rich benefit the most from the tax code...by code that allows total avoidance of tax responsibility
 
The rich benefit the most from the tax code...by code that allows total avoidance of tax responsibility

I know who it benefits. But the fundamental design of the tax code is to empower government over all taxpayer levels. The tax rates are a mind****, if you will, because the privileges for each class are laid out inside the deductions and loopholes.

If the tax code was extremely simplified, it was substantially reduce government's power to manipulate the citizens and special interests would be extremely disadvantaged.
 
I know who it benefits. But the fundamental design of the tax code is to empower government over all taxpayer levels. The tax rates are a mind****, if you will, because the privileges for each class are laid out inside the deductions and loopholes.

If the tax code was extremely simplified, it was substantially reduce government's power to manipulate the citizens and special interests would be extremely disadvantaged.

You will get NO argument from me that an extremely reduced and condensced tax code would be a huge benefit. Where the argument comes in is the proponents of the simplified tax code real agenda is for the again the RICH to pay far far less and the middleclass to pay far far more...because the people with NOTHING dont pay in this tax code and they wont pay in a more simplified tax code...you cannot get blood from a stone...so when the rich want to pay "LESS" that just means they want to take out "MORE" than they already have out of the working mans posterior
 
make everyone pay an effective rate of 15%

big government will become far less popular

With a government consuming 21% of the GDP, a flat tax of 15% would require some serious spending cuts as well.
 
With a government consuming 21% of the GDP, a flat tax of 15% would require some serious spending cuts as well.

Not neccesarily. That 15% flat tax could still equate to more than 15% of GDP. And is that in addition to or a replacement for OASID taxes?

ie, total adjusted gross income for all filers is 7.5 trillion. 15% of that is 1.1 trillion. Right now the govt collects 860bn. So just on that, the govt is collect more taxes. Once you add in SS and medicare taxes...
 
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Then how do they account for most of the income taxes?

When 400 americans have more wealth and earn or steal more than 200,000,000 americans if they have flatulence they will pay more...but more isnt their fair share
 
When 400 americans have more wealth and earn or steal more than 200,000,000 americans if they have flatulence they will pay more...but more isnt their fair share

Thats not what you said. You said 'total avoidance of tax responsibility'. The richest 1% pay 40% of income tax. How is that total avoidance?
 
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